[News] UPD: Tkachuk arbitration hearing set for Aug 11

[dino7c]

10.5x8 take it or leave it

Or

Win a trade by a landslide

People are talking like this is Eric Lindros here...doom and gloom and all I am actually pretty happy with either scenario considering what could have happened

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by tvp2003

That was only because the "sold" the empty nosebleed seats to Sport Chek, allowing them to "report" that the game had sold out. They stopped doing this early in the 2014/15 season, as noted by Darren Haynes: http://www.flamesfrom80feet.ca/2014/...in-flames.html

still good attendance numbers.

Fans in Calgary are smart enough to be patient and be sold a rebuild. I think however we will get bored of retreading and being a bubble team.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by camm13

Perhaps this has mentioned, I haven't gone through the entire thread. Maybe Barzal wants to be closer but not home also? He's from Coquitlam, right shot center, at just 25. He's skilled, and speedy and would soften the blow losing Gaudreau/Tkachuk. His making $7M this year, and an RFA next year. Canadian/American swap + some other pieces

Would Chucky want to sign in NYI without Barzal? That’s an ugly angle in all of this. We only maximize the return if Chucky is signing where we trade him.

[CSharp]

Originally Posted by Icon

It's not a rebuild unless we trade Markstrom & Lindholm. A couple other guys would get some decent pieces/picks back but moving those two would have the biggest results on an improved draft pick.

If Tkachuk leaves, we should clean house... Doubt we do though.

If Tkachuk goes, you try and trade Markstrom ASAP. If Flames are gonna be mediocre, the #1 goalie is gonna be the first under the microscope. The Flames should try and capitalize on the return for Markstrom while they have a chance. Bring up Wolf and have Vladar start.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by dino7c

10.5x8 take it or leave it

Or

Win a trade by a landslide

People are talking like this is Eric Lindros here...doom and gloom and all I am actually pretty happy with either scenario considering what could have happened

The team that trades the best player very rarely wins the trade when the dust settles.

[tvp2003]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

https://twitter.com/user/status/1549479552975400960

I'm sorry but I still remember Tkachuk sulking his way through the 2020/21 season until he started putting up points late in the year with Johnny.

Maybe he was burned out by Covid, maybe he didn't like the empty stadiums, but to say only Matthews, McDavid and Makar are ahead of him is... interesting.

[dino7c]

Where was "one of the best in the NHL" in the playoffs?

12M would be insane

10.5 or trade....either way they are not losing him for nothing or next to nothing

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Where was "one of the best in the NHL" in the playoffs?

Probably wherever the rest of the team was, besides Backlund

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Where was "one of the best in the NHL" in the playoffs?

12M would be insane

10.5 or trade....either way they are not losing him for nothing or next to nothing

Broken hand for much of it.

He's only 24. Top playoff performers aren't made overnight.

[Blaster86]

From an outsider's perspective Tkachuk, like Gaudreau, will likely never win in the play-offs. If you can rebuild in a year or two off the assets you get for him you do it.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

The team that trades the best player very rarely wins the trade when the dust settles.

I guess I don't see Tkachuk as that level of player....I think he is very good but not great.

He is not a 12M a year player IMO, even 10 I would do but be worried


What happened to everyone saying he can't skate lol

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Would Chucky want to sign in NYI without Barzal? That’s an ugly angle in all of this. We only maximize the return if Chucky is signing where we trade him.

Yes, that’s how it’s maximized. It doesn’t erase his trade value though… apparently we’re talking about one of the top 5 wingers in the game. He’s available for at least one controlled year, and then an additional 8. He doesn’t need to sign an extension now for a team to be very very interested and willing ti pay.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by dino7c

What happened to everyone saying he can't skate lol

That is the main thing that scares me about Tkachuk, he is pretty slow. I wouldn't be scared of of the 10x8 etc

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Where was "one of the best in the NHL" in the playoffs?

12M would be insane

10.5 or trade....either way they are not losing him for nothing or next to nothing

I suspect regardless of the return there will be a loud group on here that says it is not for next to nothing. I can’t really remember a time in any of the professional sports that I follow where two absolute studs decided they wanted to leave their former team in the same offseason. Almost unbelievable that the Flames are in this situation.

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

The Flames are about to have 82 goals and 219 points carved out of their lineup from last season. That's 28% of their offense. That's a bold prediction.

not too bold. Sure they lose offense with those two players out, but some of that production will be replaced. You also still have the coach of the year and a Vezina quality goalie.

Maybe not a division winner, but I see a team that can make the playoffs.
all depends on the lineup come October, I guess.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Broken hand for much of it.

He's only 24. Top playoff performers aren't made overnight.

Nobody is calling those guys the 4th best player in the ####ing world...if other GMs see it that way start the car lol

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I guess I don't see Tkachuk as that level of player....I think he is very good but not great.

He is not a 12M a year player IMO, even 10 I would do but be worried


What happened to everyone saying he can't skate lol

Yeah I’m with you and have always felt this way. I feel like everyone’s gone insane. But how can you argue with a stat line…..(easily, that’s how)

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by CSharp

If Tkachuk goes, you try and trade Markstrom ASAP. If Flames are gonna be mediocre, the #1 goalie is gonna be the first under the microscope. The Flames should try and capitalize on the return for Markstrom while they have a chance. Bring up Wolf and have Vladar start.

You don’t bring Wolf into a garbage sale rebuild. There would probably be a goalie coming back to salary reasons and you’d run with Vlader and whoever that is as a back up.

But I agree Markstrom will single handedly lose us 4-6 draft spots

[CSharp]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

The Markstrom NMC is an issue especially since that's the primary reason he signed. Of course, the loss of Gaudreau and (in that case) Tkachuk might convince him otherwise.

You still have to find a team that he likes, and that can afford him.

An eastern conference team that is making a move to challenge the Lightnings might make that move and it won't be hard to get Markstrom to waive the NMC if that team is a Cup contender. Who knows, CBJ or Boston Bruins might be that team.

[FlamesAddiction]

Barzal is only one season away from being in the same position Tkachuk is now (RFA with a high QO who could easily accept it walk the following year). If you trade Tkachuk for Barzal, you are just pushing off the problem until next year.