[News] Mangiapane, Kylington, Phillips file for salary arbitration. Tkachuk does not

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

He still had a 100pt season. Even with a bad season, he is still going to get paid

Not nearly as much as he would this offseason. It would probably cost him $15M+ over the term.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Not nearly as much as he would this offseason. It would probably cost him $15M+ over the term.

I don’t know. Not too often you get a 25 yrs old FA that put up 100 pt

His bad season would be blamed on the Flames.

The teams that want him would think they have great players to turn him around


There will be a bidding war for him. More than Johnny.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

A 1x8.4M offersheet (presumably a handshake 7 yr extension to follow on Jan. 1) would be the doomsday scenario, because the Flames couldn't trade him for 1 year if they matched.

Very high stakes poker for the offering team, but compensation would only be a 1st + 2nd + 3rd.

I doubt that Tkachuk takes a 600K paycut and does not get to leave Calgary for sure. Better to sign his QO.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

I don’t know. Not too often you get a 25 yrs old FA that put up 100 pt

His bad season would be blamed on the Flames.

His good season would be credited to his linemates, and his ‘bad’ season would be considered his normal baseline.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Could an offer sheet just be a short term contract though? A team might offer a 1 or 2 year deal with a really high salary, especially if the team has already talked about an extension while negotiating the offer sheet. I think that is what Carolina did with Kotkaniemi.

Difference between Kotkaniemi and Tkachuk is that Carolina still had control after because he was still RFA.

If a team tried to do the "handshake deal" with Tkachuk, he could still renege on the handshake and go UFA. So the team could pay offer sheet compensation and not have Tkachuk long term.



On another note, if Tkachuk is considering long term offer sheets, that means he is okay with staying in Calgary long term because he is willing to accept that Calgary might match.

[Flames_Gimp]

isn't it good if chuck signs the QO? why does that mean we have to trade him? i don't understand this stuff lol

[Flames_Gimp]

flames need to roll out the red carpet and offer enough $ that chuck will not need to look at other offers

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Flames_Gimp

isn't it good if chuck signs the QO? why does that mean we have to trade him? i don't understand this stuff lol

He'd be an UFA

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

I doubt that Tkachuk takes a 600K paycut and does not get to leave Calgary for sure. Better to sign his QO.

CGY would be insane to match a 1 yr offer sheet. It would definitely be a bit of a gamble on MT's part, but I don't think there is any chance it happens, anyways.

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Difference between Kotkaniemi and Tkachuk is that Carolina still had control after because he was still RFA.

If a team tried to do the "handshake deal" with Tkachuk, he could still renege on the handshake and go UFA. So the team could pay offer sheet compensation and not have Tkachuk long term.

If Tkachuk won't put pen to paper on Jan. 1 they could still trade him before TDL and recoup assets. Injury would be the big risk for all sides, but injury risk exists everywhere anyways.

[sureLoss]

nm misread

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

I don’t know. Not too often you get a 25 yrs old FA that put up 100 pt

His bad season would be blamed on the Flames.

The teams that want him would think they have great players to turn him around


There will be a bidding war for him. More than Johnny.

No, his bad season would be chalked up to not having Gaudreau propping his numbers up. You think GM's want to overpay for a player? He would definitely lose money.

[gvitaly]

I just wanted to put the actual numbers for the qualifying offers here, because there seems to be some misconception.

Kylington, Phillips, Pospisil, Ruzicka, Tuulola - $787.5k, two way
Mangiapane - $2.45M, one way
Tkachuk - $9M, one way

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

No, his bad season would be chalked up to not having Gaudreau propping his numbers up. You think GM's want to overpay for a player? He would definitely lose money.

Yes GMs overpay for UFA. And Tkachuk will be a juicy one no matter what

The Flames better lock him down now or he is gone

[JohnnyB]

Tkachuk getting offer sheeted would be the dream scenario. It would need to be a very high number for the Flames not to match it, in which case the returns would be absurd. The rules make anyone who wants to poach a high-end player really, really pay for it.

[Royle9]

We’ll except if a Carolina or top 5 team did it.
3 late firsts would be absolute crap to get for a Tkachuk.

[Macman]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

I just wanted to put the actual numbers for the qualifying offers here, because there seems to be some misconception.

Kylington, Phillips, Pospisil, Ruzicka, Tuulola - $787.5k, two way
Mangiapane - $2.45M, one way
Tkachuk - $9M, one way

Thanks for this but why wouldn’t they give Mangiapane and Kylington an increase if they intended to re-sign them when they’re giving Tkachuk a 2m increase from his current salary. I get he’s a big star player and everything but seems odd they won’t give Mangiapane any increase at all from his current AAV. What if another team does offer sheet him. It makes me believe that the Flames have a set price in mind for Mangiapane and I wouldn’t be surprised to see him get moved.

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by Royle9

We’ll except if a Carolina or top 5 team did it.
3 late firsts would be absolute crap to get for a Tkachuk.

Is there a top 5 team with the cap space to make an offer in that range?

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Macman

Thanks for this but why wouldn’t they give Mangiapane and Kylington an increase if they intended to re-sign them when they’re giving Tkachuk a 2m increase from his current salary. I get he’s a big star player and everything but seems odd they won’t give Mangiapane any increase at all from his current AAV. What if another team does offer sheet him. It makes me believe that the Flames have a set price in mind for Mangiapane and I wouldn’t be surprised to see him get moved.

It's based on actual salary in the final year of their expiring deal, not AAV.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by JohnnyB

Tkachuk getting offer sheeted would be the dream scenario. It would need to be a very high number for the Flames not to match it, in which case the returns would be absurd. The rules make anyone who wants to poach a high-end player really, really pay for it.

I think Tkachuk would sign one if a team offered the amount he wants. As soon as he signs it, it doesn't matter what the Flames do, he's already made the money.

Brady didn't care about re-signing with Ottawa, and that was before they started putting together a decent team and their arena deal looked optimistic.

[Macman]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

It's based on actual salary in the final year of their expiring deal, not AAV.

So how is that extra 2m not part of the cap then or are bonuses excluded?