07-15-2022, 09:53 PM
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#81
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Originally Posted by chubeyr1
We could of got the player this year without giving up 3 draft picks.
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The Flames didn't want the player this year. They wanted him last year… and then he had the most snakebitten months of his life.
Sometimes it happens. I winced at the price when they acquired him, but thought the player would be a decent fit. Turns out I was right on the first point but not the second, but I see why they did it at the time. Hindsight is irrelevant.
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07-15-2022, 10:00 PM
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#82
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Originally Posted by chubeyr1
We could of got the player this year without giving up 3 draft picks.
His contract is fine.
What we gave up was not.
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What flawed logic, good lord.
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07-15-2022, 11:11 PM
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#83
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I would’ve loved to have him back for that deal. He was great defensively, good on the face offs and tough to play against in general. I thought he might generate more offense off the wing, but that’s a moot point now.
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07-15-2022, 11:18 PM
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#84
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Calgary, AB
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Originally Posted by gvitaly
I would’ve loved to have him back for that deal. He was great defensively, good on the face offs and tough to play against in general. I thought he might generate more offense off the wing, but that’s a moot point now.
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Yeah - the guy hadn’t played Center in like 5 years and then we threw him there in the middle of a stretch drive and playoffs.
I also think he’d have been more effective offensively on the wing but thought he was pretty solid overall.
I would have taken him back on this deal in a heartbeat. A very effective player that has averaged 42 points per 82 games the last three seasons for $2.1M is a steal.
Honestly think he actually fit in here well too, just had no puck luck and the points don’t at all tell the story.
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07-16-2022, 12:01 AM
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#85
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tromboner
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: where the lattes are
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If you can't score, you can't outscore. Our bet with our picks didn't work out so I wouldn't want to double down with our cap space. Even if he lights it up with Toronto, no guarantee that it would work out the same way in Calgary.
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07-16-2022, 12:11 AM
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#86
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Franchise Player
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Maybe he had no interest in signing here. Considering what the Flames thought of him to give up so much at the deadline, you’d think they’d at least entertain extending him.
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07-16-2022, 12:35 AM
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Kamloops
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I think Ruzicka brings more at less than half the price.
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07-16-2022, 12:38 AM
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#88
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by blender
I think Ruzicka brings more at less than half the price.
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Pelletier probably does too.
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07-16-2022, 12:44 AM
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#89
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: The Pas, MB
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Originally Posted by Mindtravellee
Was there any reason for waiting for Monahan to IR until after the dead line or just bad timing
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Bad timing. I think he figured it was something he could play through and then finally realized he couldn't but it was too late for them to put him on LTIR and use the extra space. And actually not abuse it like Vegas tried.
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07-16-2022, 07:42 AM
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#90
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He was (should have been) what the Flames needed for their run. It didn't work out, but I would do that trade again.
Wanted him re-signed, as he is a solid player and will be right back to his 30 pts per year this year.
Four years is too long for him though, and I bet that was the sticking point on why he didn't sign with the Flames.
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07-16-2022, 07:45 AM
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#91
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2020
Location: Dallas
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Originally Posted by Enoch Root
He was (should have been) what the Flames needed for their run. It didn't work out, but I would do that trade again.
Wanted him re-signed, as he is a solid player and will be right back to his 30 pts per year this year.
Four years is too long for him though, and I bet that was the sticking point on why he didn't sign with the Flames.
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Nah, based on his records, he is a bad fit for the playoffs. It’s another case of bad scouting by Treliving.
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07-16-2022, 07:49 AM
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#92
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Originally Posted by blender
I think Ruzicka brings more at less than half the price.
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Not necessarily more, but different. Ruzicka is nowhere near as defensively proficient. He has way more offence and puck moving.
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07-16-2022, 09:06 AM
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#93
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Van City - Main St.
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Hard working player, really wanted to keep him.
I think he'll make a lot of haters eat krok this year.
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07-16-2022, 09:16 AM
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#94
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Crash and Bang Winger
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Originally Posted by Philly06Cup
He was miscast in Calgary as a bottom 6 guy role player. In Nashville, he was in their top 6 with better linemates and looked great. Great value contract
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He's not going to be playing in Toronto's top 6 either.
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07-16-2022, 12:30 PM
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#95
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: SW Ontario
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Originally Posted by Huntingwhale
Jeez, I know the trade got a lot of people hyped up at the time, but that looks terrible in hindsight. Wish I could say I enjoyed his single goal is almost 30 games as a Flame, but that would be lies.
Good motor but terrible hands.
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Guys with low contracts were valuable at the trade deadline because no one could fit anyone with a contract of more than like $3m under the cap. Jarnkrok was one of the better cheap guys so he was more valuable than in a year where teams have cap space.
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07-16-2022, 01:53 PM
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#96
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by MrMike
Toronto only has 750k left in space, and still has two RFAs in Engval and Sandin. Something has to give.
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Yup. And they don't need to move him necessarily as they could move someone less impactful, but I think they're still quietly looking for a hockey deal to move Nylander out. Two more years for him at just under 7.
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07-16-2022, 02:03 PM
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#97
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Good opportunities for guys on the farm to step up.
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07-16-2022, 02:16 PM
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#98
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Originally Posted by NOISIA
What flawed logic, good lord.
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You might think that logic is flawed. Yet teams around the league are thinking exactly that with Mathew Tkachuk.
Why give up a ransom for a soon to be ufa when you can get him for just money next year and probably cheaper too.
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07-16-2022, 02:27 PM
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#99
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by chubeyr1
You might think that logic is flawed. Yet teams around the league are thinking exactly that with Mathew Tkachuk.
Why give up a ransom for a soon to be ufa when you can get him for just money next year and probably cheaper too.
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Why give up a 1st for Giroux only to score 3 goals in a playoff round and lose him to a team in your division for nothing
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07-16-2022, 02:37 PM
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#100
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Originally Posted by dino7c
Why give up a 1st for Giroux only to score 3 goals in a playoff round and lose him to a team in your division for nothing
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Yeah I know that is crazy.
History shows that getting players via trade at the deadline almost never works. Yet teams keep doing it. GMs keep doing this.
Pressure to win takes out logic. Normally kicking a GM in the butt.
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