If the Flames traded Lindholm for Byram and a late first, I’d be choked. Lindholm is very valuable. Hanifin is also quite a bit more valuable then Debrusk. So the flames giving up a 3rd and getting a 1st isn’t far off.
Tkachuk - 1st unprotected, 2nd, top 6 young roster player, blue chip prospect
Lindholm - 1st unprotected, 2nd, young roster player with upside, blue chip prospect
Hanifin - 1st unprotected, young roster player with upside, blue chip prospect
Markstrom - 1st unprotected, 3rd, serviceable 1a/1b goalie, blue chip prospect
Toffoli - 2nd, decent prospect
Lots of tradeable assets should the rails come off through the first half of the season next year. Key is to not make any glaring errors in UFA this year and so far so good.
If Calgary were to rebuild, this is what I would do:
Spoiler!
STL: Valimaki and Tkachuk
CGY: Kyrou, Tarasenko, 2023 1st
- Kyrou would be a cornerstone RW for the Flames for years to come. This is only if we cannot sign a long term deal with Tkachuk, he’s the better player. But, this would be the route I’d take if we had to pivot away from Tkachuk.
- I’m not sure if LA would do that but I think they’d do it based on the glaring need for a top pairing LD. Could probably do it without the second but Byfield has been disappointing as of late. Could be a steal for Calgary. The cond. 1st is based on LA making the playoffs. If they miss it in 2023 (which I doubt), then defer the pick to 2024. I would even be fine with Hanifin for Byfield straight up if it came down to that.
-A lot going on here but Colorado easily goes to the Cup Final again with Lindholm as 2C and Markstrom as their 1A with Georgiev as the 1B. A 52/30 split would be ideal for this duo. Flames get Girard as their new top pairing LD, with Kylington and Zadorov as the 2nd/3rd LD’s
OTT: Tanev
CGY: Zaitsev + **2023/2024 1st + Greig
- Ottawa already showed signs of wanting to compete, Tanev and Chabot or Tanev and Sanderson would be quite the pairing. I actually think we could get a little more if we are taking on Zaitsev as a cap dump, but a top prospect and a 1st seemed like enough in my books. The 1st has the same conditions as the LA trade, conditional based on making the playoffs. If they don’t make the playoffs they can defer the pick to next season.
That should get us a top 10 pick in a deep draft. And some cornerstone players like Kyrou, Byfield, Newhook, and Girard to build on off of Andersson, Dube, Mangiapane, and Kylington. Goaltending-wise we could see Vladar get some more starts splitting time with Francouz. Lastly, this lineup would also give us a great opportunity to slot in Pelletier and Phillips at any time. Both deserve a call up.
- Toffoli, Walker, Compher, (maybe Backlund) could be sold for future assets.
- We get some top picks to either use or be used as currency to acquire players that WANT to be in Calgary long term.
This is ONLY if we want to scorch the current team we have. The only one i do have a reservation for is the Colorado deal because I truly believe Lindholm would extend his contract to play here. Then again, I’ve no idea anymore.
Didn’t read spoiler: Playing GM mode if the Flames were to rebuild.
Tkachuk - 1st unprotected, 2nd, top 6 young roster player, blue chip prospect
Lindholm - 1st unprotected, 2nd, young roster player with upside, blue chip prospect
Hanifin - 1st unprotected, young roster player with upside, blue chip prospect
Markstrom - 1st unprotected, 3rd, serviceable 1a/1b goalie, blue chip prospect
Toffoli - 2nd, decent prospect
Lots of tradeable assets should the rails come off through the first half of the season next year. Key is to not make any glaring errors in UFA this year and so far so good.
That's a lot to get at the deadline for a Tkachuk rental.
Lindholm, Marky and Hanifin, since they don't have expiring contracts, would more likely be dealt during the summer if the Flames were doing a tear down.
^LA wouldn't trade Byfield 1 for 1 for Hanifin let alone Byfield+++
I should probably just stay out of these types of discussion as I feel I'm constantly pissing on proposals. But I think there is a disconnect between fantasy and reality and then people get upset when they see the actual returns that trades net in the real world.
If it was all this easy, then - it would all be easier.
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If the Flames traded Lindholm for Byram and a late first, I’d be choked. Lindholm is very valuable. Hanifin is also quite a bit more valuable then Debrusk. So the flames giving up a 3rd and getting a 1st isn’t far off.
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Yeah, no way I trade Lindholm for Byram and COL's 1st
Byram looked like Makar did in 2019 against the Flames in the playoffs. That kid could win a Norris one day. There were lots of times in the playoffs where I assumed it was Makar making the play, and it was Byram.
His 5V5 Playoff stats for the Avs and rank among Avs d-men:
He just played the 3rd most minutes at 5v5 on a team that steamrolled through the playoffs, and he just turned 21 on June 13th. He was injured a lot, and even through injuries he had 17 points in 30 games, and then 9 points in 20 playoff games. If hes' past the injury issues then he's a future Norris candidate.
Lindholm is a great 200ft center - but I think hes a 60 point player without Gaudreau. Byram could easily be an anchor on the backend for the next 10 years. I'd want more than just Byram - but he would be the type of piece that you'd want as the center piece.
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That's a lot to get at the deadline for a Tkachuk rental.
Lindholm, Marky and Hanifin, since they don't have expiring contracts, would more likely be dealt during the summer if the Flames were doing a tear down.
And people don't really see what kind of rental players get dealt at the deadline. Not top line players, because teams looking to bulk for a PO push are usually set at top line, and don't have the space even for a pro-rated Tkachuk. It's usually depth D like Manson or Savard, middle six forwards like Foligno, Domi, Lehkonen.
Eric Francis saying Calgary still talking to Kadri but not for the big dollars he is looking for. They would be in the mix if he drops his ask.
I get the feeling Kadri is taking time in hopes maybe the Avs can move out a bit more salary to fit him in. As of now he's probably struggling with the decision of staying where he seems to be very happy for a lot less money or taking more money somewhere else.
^LA wouldn't trade Byfield 1 for 1 for Hanifin let alone Byfield+++
I should probably just stay out of these types of discussion as I feel I'm constantly pissing on proposals. But I think there is a disconnect between fantasy and reality and then people get upset when they see the actual returns that trades net in the real world.
If it was all this easy, then - it would all be easier.
I'm not so sure of that.
I don't think Byfield is considered as great a prospect as he once was, but I would defer to someone who might have a better sense of this.
^LA wouldn't trade Byfield 1 for 1 for Hanifin let alone Byfield+++
I should probably just stay out of these types of discussion as I feel I'm constantly pissing on proposals. But I think there is a disconnect between fantasy and reality and then people get upset when they see the actual returns that trades net in the real world.
If it was all this easy, then - it would all be easier.
Yeah I feel if Tkachuk is traded that a lot of fans may be disappointed with the return. At the end of the day any assets and picks they get in return could turn into good or very players and that's probably better in the long run than losing the player for nothing. When you trade a player like Tkachuk the other team is always going to receive the best player in the deal the day it's consummated. That's the way it worked out when the Flames traded Hamilton to Carolina but it didn't take long for the tables to turn on that deal.
Debrincat who is in a very similar situation to Tkachuk from a contract perspective just got
7th overall pick
2nd round pick
3rd round pick
So that's probably your starting point for a Tkachuk deal.
Debrincat: 24 years old (Dec 18 1997) - GP: 368 G: 160 G/GP: 0.43 P: 307 P/GP: 0.83
Tkachuk: 24 years old (Dec 11 1997) - GP: 431 G: 152 G/GP: 0.35 P: 382 P/GP: 0.88
I'm not sure you're ever going to find a more direct comparison in a trade than that. Hell they are born 7 days apart even. Debrincat is actually in a better contract situation because it's more like Tkachuk last year. He has 1 year at $6.4M, before he needs to be qualified at $9M next year and that would take him right to UFA.
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I find it comical people say we need to rebuild at the same time trading away all these guys for 1st round picks. If you can trade 5 guys for 1st round + you don’t need to rebuild
Stutzle has more value than Tkachuk considering age, years of control, cap hit and the fact Tkachuk is one year from UFA.
Plus Ottawa needs the centre way more than the winger.
Don't under estimate the Tkachuk brothers angle and the marketing of that, ticket sales etc.
Especially in Ottawa where that's very important.
If they new they were extending Matthew's contract too, having both brothers under long term contracts would be massive for that franchise who loses players all the time.
I get the feeling Kadri is taking time in hopes maybe the Avs can move out a bit more salary to fit him in. As of now he's probably struggling with the decision of staying where he seems to be very happy for a lot less money or taking more money somewhere else.
Lot's of rumours that this is the case. I can't see it. They already let Burakovsky go. Nichushkin and Manson were signed as a priority over him. They probably want to save some cap in case the goalie situation looks bad mid season. They could try and move Eric Johnson but they'd get thinner on D, plus he has a 19 team LNTC.
