[Signing] Gaudreau to Columbus (7 x $9.75 million)

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

How would this apply to the Flames specifically? It doesn't appear there was anything they could have done to keep Johnny, and it's not clear whether or not they can keep Chucky.

Who do you think are the secondary players they should move out to recoup assets?

Well in regards to the post I quoted the idea is that the Flames held on to Gaudreau too long, and that good teams would have sold on him. I question that, good teams find ways to keep their star players.

Maybe it wasn’t in the cards in this scenario. But it’s not that different from Tampa with Stamkos, or Colorado with Landeskog and in the end those guys found a way and the player decided to stay.

Honestly with Gaudreau gone, and coming off a good season I think the Flames could have potentially look at moving Backlund, Tanev, and Toffoli over the next year. Those guys are all on the wrong side of 30 with 2 years or less left on their deals.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by midniteowl

Why are you guys quoting mine and not Hackey? My reply to his is just to say not the wife have to support the husband. What Hacky saying was a good wife would support the husband. I agree with what you said, in replying, quoting Hackey post is only fair.

Sorry, was agreeing with you and adding on. I find a lot of the simping, yes-men, man up, fit your wife around your career, etc talk to be pretty cringe. I don’t know a happy individual in an even half way decent relationship that talks like that, though, so I’m kind of just writing it off as coming from guys whose opinions about relationships and women probably have pretty questionable reference points.

Truthfully, I don’t know why you bothered responding to them lol.

[manwiches]

He changed his twitter bio/avatar. But no new tweets yet

Hasn't touched his insta

If I were his parents, I'd be giving him hell right now with his complete lack of acknowledgement of the team that gave him a chance.

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[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Within like an hour of the news breaking that Gaudreau was going to free agency he sent out this tweet through Friedman.

"The Flames did everything they could. This came down to a family decision."

Which was weird at the time because I’ve never seen an agent do that, and it actually potentially hurt his own clients negotiating power.

Originally Posted by Flamescuprun2018

Thanks for this. Had forgotten that. Gross essentially admitting that the outcome was not my recommendation to Johnny as Johnny's agent but his decision. So sorry Flames don't pin it on me. Not how I like to do business.

I forgot that quote too. So obviously Gross was blindsided. I think he should dump Gaudreau. Who wants a client that kills your good faith negotiations? He has one Gaudreau (who won’t really need him for 8 years). He deals with a bunch of GMs.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Raised in Jersey, college in Boston, played many times with a USA jersey on. Marries a girl from the US. His family is all American. Most of his friends are in the US. His identity is heavily tied to the USA. We’ve all known forever he would have a desire to go to a US team at some point.

In the end it was a choice between Columbus, NYI and NJ after Philly told them they were out. His wife’s preferred location seemed to be a heavy influence in the decision. Rosters and on ice future slights against NYI. Newark slights against NJ. 1/3 of the year they’ll be back in Philly a lot. 1/3 Johnny will be on the road for away games and when home location doesn’t seem super critical to him. Meredith and their child will be the ones spending the most time in Columbus so it’s a perfectly reasonable choice.

It’s a reasonable choice about which they should have not misled the Flames.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by sss1

Well everyone's sitting here cheering on Murray Edwards for this supposed victory in the negotiation ring but the only thing this highlights for me is:

1.) Players do not want to play here, even if they are payed over market value.

2.) We have ownership team who gets involved in the salary negotiations of even the most valuable team members. edit: and when I mean "get involved", I mean that they drive the outcome. How does this look for prospective free agents?

Ouch. Calgary takes the L here.

This is a tough pill to swallow for me.

I don’t think Murray Edwards drove the outcome. He got involved to make the final pitch. This happens a fair bit I think. Players like to know that the owners are eager. But when Gaudreau played games Edwards rightly took offence.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by NOISIA

When is he last time the Flames lost a top free agent? Cammy?

Wasn't talking about free agents, specifically. GIO, Brodie and Iggy are all guys we might have gotten some assets , but for various reasons they were difficult to move as they were making valuable contributions to the team. I believe the Flames did try to move Monahan, which I think is a good example of trying to maximize a player that may be on the downswing. Flames to use these assets to maximize potential returns for the long term.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Raised in Jersey, college in Boston, played many times with a USA jersey on. Marries a girl from the US. His family is all American. Most of his friends are in the US. His identity is heavily tied to the USA. We’ve all known forever he would have a desire to go to a US team at some point.

This is what I don’t get. We’ve known for 12 months that Gaudreau was likely going to become a UFA and likely going to want to return to the U.S. Fans knew it. The media knew it. I can’t imagine Flames management are so dumb that they didn’t know it.

So why is everyone shocked that he did that just, and are now gossiping like a clutch of hens over what his motivation was? His motivation was to return to the U.S. and sign a huge contract. Case solved.

[kipperiggy]

Originally Posted by manwiches

He changed his twitter bio/avatar. But no new tweets yet

Hasn't touched his insta

If I were his parents, I'd be giving him hell right now with his complete lack of acknowledgement of the team that gave him a chance.

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Jackets13!!!

While true, I have a hard time believing his excitement after that presser.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

This is what I don’t get. We’ve known for 12 months that Gaudreau was likely going to become a UFA and likely going to want to return to the U.S. Fans knew it. The media knew it. I can’t imagine Flames management are so dumb that they didn’t know it.

‘Likely’ is not the same as ‘certainly’.

So why is everyone shocked that he did that just, and are now gossiping like a clutch of hens over what his motivation was? His motivation was to return to the U.S. and sign a huge contract. Case solved.

He gave up $16 million of an even huger contract, and acted like an ass while doing it. That's the shocking part.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by NOISIA

Shell shock.

And embarrassment for not handling it differently.

[flamesrule_kipper34]

Forget motivations, why, leaving $ on the table and etc.

I just dislike how this went down and the position he put the team in by not being completely upfront and candid about his position.

Best case we could have traded his rights, worst case we could have prioritized Chucky and others.

I'm kind of surprised at some reactions saying this was a totally forseen eventuality. If that's so then he obviously didn't make that known to Flames brass and waited until the 11th hour to totally paralyze and handcuff them, full stop.

He's not the enemy because or why he left, it's how he left.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

This is what I don’t get. We’ve known for 12 months that Gaudreau was likely going to become a UFA and likely going to want to return to the U.S. Fans knew it. The media knew it. I can’t imagine Flames management are so dumb that they didn’t know it.

So why is everyone shocked that he did that just, and are now gossiping like a clutch of hens over what his motivation was? His motivation was to return to the U.S. and sign a huge contract. Case solved.

Yeah, I don't really buy this. It wasn't this cut and dry. His quotes at the end of the season could have still delivered that lying cliche bs punch he likes to spout yet not quite have over-exaggerated his "love for Calgary" lol

I mean come on, go watch his end of year pressers again and tell me you Nostradamussed this one. I don't think so. He could have said a million other acceptable answers and kept the peace and not wax on poetic (lie) about how much he liked Calgary.

You're forgetting this team made him. He is too.

[Otto-matic]

The people I feel bad are his Family on social media. Flames fans are getting vicious on Johnny's decision with them.

I've always had great interactions with Jim and he's still openly talking to flames fans when he could easily just shutter it down.

[BurningSteel]

I feel like he was forced to leave Calgary by someone. Body language said it all. I hope he can handle whatever emotions he's battling over how this all played out.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by taxbuster

Brad looked like a broken man in that presser.

That’s how I look after toiling for hours cooking what my kid asked for only for him to turn around at the end and not eat a bite of it, and you’re mad at yourself cause you really knew all along it was a risk and should have just made the grilled cheese instead.

[Cappy]

Has anyone speculated that Johnny had a side piece and his wife made him leave or have we moved past that part of the 12 steps to player loss

[NOISIA]

Originally Posted by Cappy

Has anyone speculated that Johnny had a side piece and his wife made him leave or have we moved past that part of the 12 steps to player loss

Shut the #### up

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I don’t think Gross thought this was going to go this way either to be honest.

I think he thought Gaudreau was going to sign the contract if the Flames met the price. I don’t think he makes the counter offer to the Flames unless he believes that.

Also it was clear that Gaudreau was undecided throughout this process, that was out in the media the entire time so I’m sure the Flames knew too.

The problem is if Gross and the Flames thought they had a deal on Tuesday if the Flames hit a certain price, and then Gaudreau went back on his word.

I’m not sure how Gross is supposed to anticipate that. If what that one poster had is the true situation then that’s on Gaudreau and not Gross.

Whatever kernels of truth exist in the rumour we've heard (obviously only 1-side of the story) I think it's safe to assume there was a breakdown in communication somewhere - between Johnny and Gross, Gross and Flames, or potentially Johnny and wife. I think it's a fool's errand to assign blame with such limited info...I'm not even convinced any blame is necessarily warranted anywhere

I think back to buying our first house...it's a pretty stressful day and throughout the negotiation a million question marks are running through your mind whether its the right house or not, etc - it can be a total rollercoaster. Now multiply the value of the deal by 100 with a lot more time pressure. It's kinda surprising things don't go off the rails more often.

[the-rasta-masta]

Originally Posted by Cappy

Has anyone speculated that Johnny had a side piece and his wife made him leave or have we moved past that part of the 12 steps to player loss

Oh come on. I don’t like how he left but he has lots of influences and reasons we might know nothing about. I don’t mind speculation in scenarios of how talks with the Flames occurred but the personal stuff is just so disgusting.