[Signing] Gaudreau to Columbus (7 x $9.75 million)

[GioforPM]

I wonder if it was Gross or Gaudreau who yelled “Psych” when the Flames said OK.

[ResAlien]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

This kind of crap is why I only expect bad things to happen as a fan of this team.

If that story is true (which I highly suspect it is) I don't even know what to say anymore.

“Poop butts”

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I wonder why they would even give the ultimatum if they didn’t plan on accepting. Maybe it was done without asking the fam and then the fam stepped in and said no, not even then.

Because they wanted it to be the Flames who decided to part ways. Probably did not expect they would match

[MrMike]

So we need more local girls to snap up these boys.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I wonder why they would even give the ultimatum if they didn’t plan on accepting. Maybe it was done without asking the fam and then the fam stepped in and said no, not even then.

I dont know. Maybe it was supposed to be 'The Impossible Ask.'

Maybe it was done so that they could say: "We didnt walk away from Calgary, they wouldnt meet our demands! Its not our fault!"

I think someone should make a note to see if Gross is still Johnny's agent in a few weeks' time.

Or...and I hate doing this, but it is possible that Johnny and Gross had a plan, had an ask, it was met and then his Wife/GF vetoed it.

It is possible that they made an ask, got an acceptance and then a variable was introduced that could not be accommodated.

Its possible. You take the Calgary contract and your wife is pissed? Ugh...granted, again, I'd go back and say: "You should have talked about this together and sorted it out ages ago."

[Jing]

Wasn't there a tweet that described the last call between Gaudreau and the Flames as being brutal? At first I thought it was because everyone was sad that he was leaving but maybe it was reference to Edwards flipping out.

[ben voyonsdonc]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

In the latter I’m assuming the discussion was already had that Gaudreau was on the fence about saying or going and that had been determined.

In a situation like that I think it’s okay for the Gaudreau camp to say “It would have to be this number for us to consider staying”

Because that gives the Flames the chance to walk away if they aren’t comfortable with the number but is also indicating you still haven’t made up your mind and it would still just be “considering” the Flames offer.

It still isn’t perfect and could be handled a lot better but I think that’s still in “good faith” as long as it’s transparent.

If you say “We stay if you meet this price” and then still don’t stay though…that’s BS

And if I had to bet…and based on the public reactions of Gross, Treliving, and Gaudreau…it feels like Gaudreau and Gross said it was a done deal if they met the price then Johnny reneged on the deal when it was in front of him.

Honestly it would make sense based on what Gross put out to the media alone…never seen an agent do that and it was weird from the second it happened.

On the night before free agency started, there’s no point in giving a number just for consideration. The Flames aren’t competing with anyone at that point. If you give a number and then don’t sign for it when nobody else is competing, you aren’t really negotiating in good faith.

The day of free agency and thereafter, you could say “here is a number that we see as the minimum that we’d be happy with…however, we are open to higher offers from other teams if they come in. Give us your best offer and let’s see where we end up.”

[blender]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Sure it is. A demand like that is just an offer, which when agreed to is a contract. You and I are talking about me painting your fence. You say how much? I demand $500. You say OK. That’s a contract.

I’m quite sure the CBA requires a contract be signed though, to be enforceable. But the point is that in Edwards’ world, deals are done this way all the time. And you don’t go back on them.

Yeah, court of law maybe not, but real world among men, definitely.
If you are talking you have to back it up. One thing that people (fans) often discount is that the owners of these pro sports teams are used to dealing with much bigger deals than some pissant 80 million dollar agreement. Fans love to shred owners for meddling and not being "hockey people", but the NHL is not really a big business in a team-by-team sense. If the report is true I could see an owner being frustrated by the antics for sure. And don't get me started on agents. The rise of the "super sports agent" a la Scott Boras is almost comical. Can't really blame Edward's for wanting to knock Gross down a peg.

[Major Major]

I'm glad Edwards lit that little bitch up. My new favorite flame.

[icarus]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Sure it is. A demand like that is just an offer, which when agreed to is a contract. You and I are talking about me painting your fence. You say how much? I demand $500. You say OK. That’s a contract.

I disagree, the demand is an invitation to treat. The other party putting the money up in accordance with the invitation is the offer, which still needs to be accepted (although typically fait accompli at this point).

[Shazam]

CBJ is going to be awful for his career.

[powderjunkie]

I don’t know if that story jives with other rumoured numbers and timelines (which could also be bunk). IF the Flames were at 10 and JG camp at 11, it seems very strange for an ultimatum to come from their side.

Also seems like a really strange tactic at that stage of the negotiation…13 was a few hours from losing the 8th year vs CGY being a few hours from losing ‘everything’


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[GioforPM]

If this is true Lewis Gross should be drummed out of the business. JG is a naive guy who maybe doesn’t know business norms. But Gross is obligated to advise him ethically. I wonder if agents have a governing association like doctors, accountants and lawyers do.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by icarus

I disagree, the demand is an invitation to treat. The other party putting the money up in accordance with the invitation is the offer, which still needs to be accepted (although typically fait accompli at this point).

No, invitation to treat doesn’t include a hard number like that. It’s “how much will you pay me”. Not “I will play for you if you pay me this much”. Calling it a demand changes nothing.

People are confused because it’s almost always called a team “offer”. But the label means nothing.

EDIT: it really doesn’t matter in this situation which legally requires a written contract. But it also doesn’t matter in the ethical side.

[Squirrel]

There can be no more questioning why the Flames couldn’t win more in the playoffs with Johnny Buttonhook as part of that “core”. Physically and mentally not going to do what they needed from him.
Good riddance.

[Calgary Highlander]

I’m amused that Gudbrandson and Luke Philp have “Thank you” posts from the Flames’ social media account and nothing for Gaudreau.

Lines up with what’s been posted and how badly Johnny burnt this bridge.

[chummer]

So Johnny gave his word and backed out, wow that's a bad look.

No wonder Treliving was seething.

[AC]

Originally Posted by Calgary Highlander

I’m amused that Gudbrandson and Luke Philp have “Thank you” posts from the Flames’ social media account and nothing for Gaudreau.

Lines up with what’s been posted and how badly Johnny burnt this bridge.

https://twitter.com/NHLFlames/status...83277110956032

https://www.instagram.com/p/Cf-UmC5PlSP/

[ben voyonsdonc]

Originally Posted by Calgary Highlander

I’m amused that Gudbrandson and Luke Philp have “Thank you” posts from the Flames’ social media account and nothing for Gaudreau.

Lines up with what’s been posted and how badly Johnny burnt this bridge.

The Flames are classy…they posted a thank you message last night.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Locke

I dont know. Maybe it was supposed to be 'The Impossible Ask.'

Maybe it was done so that they could say: "We didnt walk away from Calgary, they wouldnt meet our demands! Its not our fault!"

I think someone should make a note to see if Gross is still Johnny's agent in a few weeks' time.

Or...and I hate doing this, but it is possible that Johnny and Gross had a plan, had an ask, it was met and then his Wife/GF vetoed it.

It is possible that they made an ask, got an acceptance and then a variable was introduced that could not be accommodated.

Its possible. You take the Calgary contract and your wife is pissed? Ugh...granted, again, I'd go back and say: "You should have talked about this together and sorted it out ages ago."

The number kind of eliminates “impossible ask” IMO. If he really wanted to do that I’d have thought anything up to 11 has a risk of being accepted.

The variable one is not in accordance with the story which was that the demand was “met to a tee”. Of course, stuff like that could get missed in translation.

I think they made the demand and then had a change of heart either because of a spousal veto or simply cold feet.