[Signing] Gaudreau to Columbus (7 x $9.75 million)

[JackIsBack]

Oh... and he signed for less, there was more money on the table here.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Jordan!

Did you know Columbus's nickname is also "Cowtown"

One more kick in the dicks imo

Source: Wikipedia because I knew literally nothing about Columbus, Ohio

Johnny should have signed with Phoenix. Playing in a 5,000 seat barn, just like college. And talk about playing in anonymity? You can't be anything but anonymous as a hockey player in Phoenix.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

Signing bonuses are absolutely subject to escrow.

They love the upfront money too. And since it’s taxed in the local jurisdiction it is better for favourable tax states to have a big bonus.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Jordan!

Did you know Columbus's nickname is also "Cowtown"

One more kick in the dicks imo

Source: Wikipedia because I knew literally nothing about Columbus, Ohio

I honestly don't see it as much of a dick kick.

Columbus is an easier destination to stomach than a lot of places tbh. And it helps that they're not especially relevant.

Does anybody have any feelings one way or the other towards that team? I don't really.

Jarno is a great GM though.

If they're also cowtown then they're definitely the lesser cowtown.

[GirlySports]

Don't pile on djsFlames. It was my comment.

He's not my definition of a man. If that's narrow and ignorant, I accept that.

But just look at the last 48 hours.

It's been said here. He's lost money, lost term, lost legacy, lost a chance at a cup. He might lose more money because there's no signing bonus, no front loading. He just can't think for himself. He's immature.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Don't pile on djsFlames. It was my comment.
.

Naw he started with this stuff yesterday and has now double downed.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Good for you, man. That's awesome.

And like I said, Johnny could do both. He could excel in career and enjoy all the rewards of family.

He sacrificed on the career side here.

In your opinion he did.

Columbus with Gaudreau has just as good a chance at playoff success as the Flames with Gaudreau.

I guess maybe he sacrificed his "legacy" in Calgary but honestly I'm not sure how much that's really worth. He could go on and spend the next 8 years in Columbus win a cup and have an amazing legacy there too.

Does having a legacy in Calgary really change Jarome Iginla's life at all...doubtful.

All we can say that he sacrificed for certain was money - he left $15M of guaranteed money on the table - and that's a tough call for sure.

But I don't think that money really truly defines success in his career for him, if it did he would have just taken the largest contract.

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Don't pile on djsFlames. It was my comment.

He's not my definition of a man. If that's narrow and ignorant, I accept that.

But just look at the last 48 hours.

It's been said here. He's lost money, lost term, lost legacy, lost a chance at a cup. He might lose more money because there's no signing bonus, no front loading. He just can't think for himself. He's immature.

Thinking that money and legacy is more important than what is best for your family is what's immature. And I'm not talking about his extended family because I don't think it came down to that.

He did what he thought was best for his wife, and their child that is on they way, and honestly it's the mature decision to prioritize that over money.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

Signing bonuses are absolutely subject to escrow.

https://sport-net.org/are-nhl-signin...to-escrow/amp/

They are not subject to escrow, that is why players like them.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Jordan!

I don't think Treliving was surprised, trading Johnny before the playoffs would've been stupid. You gamble as an organization and this instance The Flames lost the gamble. It happens.

There’s a way to gamble and lose where you don’t make the organization, and more importantly the city, look like a joke.

[automaton 3]

Originally Posted by devo22

if he was truly torn and 50/50 about it, closing the door completely on Tuesday makes even less sense. Why wouldn't you want to have the option to circle back, at the very least as a bargaining chip? It makes absolutely no sense.

Yes, this part doesn’t make sense. I don’t really see Murray or the Flames going this route either it’s just business. Something went sideways here.

Before any of that, once he decided he didn’t want to return a sign and trade would have been the preferred route and get the extra contract year. The Flames could have taken players back in a trade scenario which opens options vs a pure FA signing. Maybe a deal can be worked out with Philly which I understand is where he wanted to go.

It will be interesting to hear the full story when it eventually comes out.

[Mr.Coffee]

the comment of the man or not thing is a bad look but really should have just been worded differently to achieve (what I think) is the same / similar meaning. "Lack of character", "dishonest", "weasely" etc. all get the same message across which is basically you don't like how he handled the situation.

You don't need to bring up "manhood" or whatever else, it's not really relevant and undermines your own argument because it gets people focused on something negative / toxic vs. what you're actually trying to convey which is a lot more of a fair comment.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Of course ownership is at fault – they keep employing Brad Treliving To be the general manager Of their hockey team.

The guy who didn’t interview anyone else before he hired Peters, whose greatest coaching accomplishment seems to be “holding the Carolina Hurricanes back”.

Who didn’t interview anyone else before he named Geoff Ward a full-time head coach after Peters was found out to be a racist ####bag. Which was honestly a blessing - he’d lost the team by then.

The guy who had no plan to replace Ward until the ownership group ordered him to hire Darryl. And because Darryl is a BAMF, he was able to get as much out of this roster as anyone possibly could.

There’s a pattern of behaviour here.

He puts all his eggs in one basket, and doesn’t have anything to fall back on.

Even here, I can guess what his plan was: “win the Stanley Cup and everyone extends”.

Uh huh. And what if you don’t win the Stanley Cup?

You get the last 48 hours.

Treliving called Sutter in a previous attempt to hire him and was turned down. And he did interview others before hiring Ward.

From a winning perspective the Peters hire looked pretty good.

[Wolfman]

Stop this thread at page 69

[liamenator]

I had been assuming when Tre said the conversation was “emotional", he meant both parties expressed sadness and disappointment. Now I am thinking things got rather more heated, and perhaps it was the Flames who shut the door on any resumption of talks.

[2macinnis2]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

In your opinion he did.

Columbus with Gaudreau has just as good a chance at playoff success as the Flames with Gaudreau.

I guess maybe he sacrificed his "legacy" in Calgary but honestly I'm not sure how much that's really worth. He could go on and spend the next 8 years in Columbus win a cup and have an amazing legacy there too.

Does having a legacy in Calgary really change Jarome Iginla's life at all...doubtful.

All we can say that he sacrificed for certain was money - he left $15M of guaranteed money on the table - and that's a tough call for sure.

But I don't think that money really truly defines success in his career for him, if it did he would have just taken the largest contract.



Thinking that money and legacy is more important than what is best for your family is what's immature. And I'm not talking about his extended family because I don't think it came down to that.

He did what he thought was best for his wife, and their child that is on they way, and honestly it's the mature decision to prioritize that over money.

Ummmm no. Maybe, maybe, the BJs with Gaudreau would be comparable to the Flames pre Sutter. I still don’t think so. But in any case, that Flames team wasn’t very good.

Last year’s Sutter team? Give me a break.

[littlereddevil]

I feel this was a major reason why Gaudreau chose to sign with whatever American NHL team would pay him similarly to Calgary's reported offer:

https://twitter.com/MattBarnaby3636/...16728353415168

Let's be honest, it's extremely difficult for Canadian NHL teams to compete with American markets.

I'm willing to bet that the Tkachuks (yes, Brady too), Miller and Matthews will all leave next. It's hard to attract and keep American NHL stars when they have no real reason to stay here besides the possibility of winning a cup. And a Canadian team hasn't won a cup in nearly 30 years. I don't think it's a coincidence that a Canadian team hasn't won in such a long time.

If Gaudreau left us to simply play in a U.S. market (and out of the spotlight of a Canadian team), I have less hard feelings. It's the nature of the business and will always be the challenge for Canadian teams trying to compete with American teams. Canadian teams should be very cautious about American players moving forward. You have to protect the product on the ice. Bring players here that actually want to play in a Canadian market and don't care about the fact that they can earn more money in the U.S. (after taxes) or play out of the spotlight / media attention.

Like what else is there for sports teams in Columbus? The Buckeyes? That's basically it. Gaudreau will get his opportunity to play for a team while facing less pressure to perform and win.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

the comment of the man or not thing is a bad look but really should have just been worded differently to achieve (what I think) is the same / similar meaning. "Lack of character", "dishonest", "weasely" etc. all get the same message across which is basically you don't like how he handled the situation.

You don't need to bring up "manhood" or whatever else, it's not really relevant and undermines your own argument because it gets people focused on something negative / toxic vs. what you're actually trying to convey which is a lot more of a fair comment.

I'm not talking about those things. Lack of character maybe but he can be dishonest and weasely all he wants. I'm talking about drive and commitment to your career.

We're talking about a man, in any profession, being the best possible in that profession. And I'm not even talking about gender or power dynamics. If the woman was a top CEO and the man was a stay at home dad taking care of kids, then he has the be the best he can be in his profession, being a stay at home dad.

Again, that might be a narrow definition.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Don't pile on djsFlames. It was my comment.

He's not my definition of a man. If that's narrow and ignorant, I accept that.

But just look at the last 48 hours.

It's been said here. He's lost money, lost term, lost legacy, lost a chance at a cup. He might lose more money because there's no signing bonus, no front loading. He just can't think for himself. He's immature.

Being immature and unable to think for oneself. Aren't those qualities we expect in an adult, not just a man?

Maybe i'm just parsing words here. Johnny is male, Maybe you're saying he's not acting like an adult male, which would in fact be a "man". If they were female, would you say they're not acting like a woman?

[heep223]

This is just getting even weirder.

• Columbus GM was as shocked as the rest of us
• Was willing to take a 17% haircut to be closer to home, but not an additional few hundred grand per year to actually be home
• Chose Columbus because when he first played a game there he....thought the arena was cool?

The only thing that makes some amount of logical sense to me is that he wants a zero pressure situation, doesn't care about winning, and wants to appease his family

Still just makes very little sense

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by 3thirty

Does anyone think after they have a child and he signed this contract his wife is going back to work?

Yes, why not if she loves what she does?