Brad Treliving needs to go

[GKDarts]

Just when you think the asset mismanagement can't get any worse, Johnny signs in the midwest, not the east coast, and for $15MM less!!!!!

You can't make this up. WHY IS TRE still employed by this organization?????

What an absolute debacle. I've been a hard core Flames fan for 40 years and a defender of Tre for years...I was so wrong....He's a disaster.

[Locke]

Sorry all. I have been firmly on the 'Fire Treliving' train for a while now. Not out of anger, but I've laid out my reasons.

But this Gaudreau signing someone vindicates him, at least somewhat.

Initially you could excuse Treliving because if a player is going to make a decision based on family reasons you are limited in your power to do anything about that.

It seems to me that he was negotiating against an impossible task.

There is nothing a GM can do about Geography, Family, Feelings, etc.

But Treliving offered him more money, more term, a better team and a place where he has been for years, then there is legacy, granted I dont know how much players value that.

The only part where we can fault Treliving is not taking a harder-line stance and trading Johnny last off-season.

But the guy just pissed away $15.4M to....play in Ohio?

And Treliving seemed convinced that he could sign him. This is all just a big 'swing and a miss' all around.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by GKDarts

Just when you think the asset mismanagement can't get any worse, Johnny signs in the midwest, not the east coast, and for $15MM less!!!!!

You can't make this up. WHY IS TRE still employed by this organization?????

What an absolute debacle. I've been a hard core Flames fan for 40 years and a defender of Tre for years...I was so wrong....He's a disaster.

Sorry how is this on Tree?

[Flamesfan05]

Johnny hated Calgary

[TheSquatch]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Johnny hated Calgary

Turns out.

LOLZ.

[neo45]

The time to fire Treliving was when there were better options like Gorton available and you justify his firing based on the overall body of work he put together in 7 seasons.

Now after 8 seasons the body of work isn’t substantially better, but the team made playoffs, has a coach and a goalie, and there aren’t any proven better GMs available.


So ask yourself, how much do you want Bob Murray to be our GM? Because that’s what it would be

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by neo45

The time to fire Treliving was when there were better options like Gorton available and you justify his firing based on the overall body of work he put together in 7 seasons.

Now after 8 seasons the body of work isn’t substantially better, but the team made playoffs, has a coach and a goalie, and there aren’t any proven better GMs available.


So ask yourself, how much do you want Bob Murray to be our GM? Because that’s what it would be

Lombardi?? Scotty Bowman is looking for work

[Beatle17]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

Lombardi?? Scotty Bowman is looking for work

One is the GM in Philly and the other one is 100 years old. Good luck with that.

[Strange Brew]

Does make you wonder how well they know their players here and what the culture is. Maybe the parade of awful coaches soured him as well especially with Darryl seemingly not around for the long term.

[GKDarts]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Sorry how is this on Tree?

Well let's see...

1) Go back to the draft or latest, pre trade deadline 2021 - Tre has leverage, Johnny's NTC hasn't kicked in and he has 1.5 years of term left. Tre doesn't give Johnny an ultimatum where he accepts a fair/good long term deal or face being shopped. Tre misses the best opportunity he has to maximize on an asset that will only diminish after that point.

2) If you accept that #1 was done in consult with ownership and based on Tre's view that he'd get done with Johnny (Bingo's view), it turns out Tre had no clue in reading the player/agent. Isn't that one of the central aspects of Tre's job?

3) Not only did Tre mis-read every aspect of the negotiation, his offer to Johnny was made public so, the org is further humiliated by a player taking $15MM less and not going home. Calgary as a destination for players/agents has to be at an all time low.

4) How would you have any confidence in Tre handling the Tkachuk contract situation now? Another asset that he's diminished, likely misread and put the club behind the eight-ball. You think other managers aren't seeing the blood in the water and circling Tre?

[Jiri Hrdina]

OK that's your view. I think there's a lot of negative spin to that.
Remember I was someone who always said there were 3 outcomes:
- Trade Johnny
- Sign him to a long-term deal that probably wouldn't be good
- Lose him for nothing.

So I don't disagree they should have traded him years ago. But I also understand that was unlikely.

The rest...meh. That's just you needing to point the finger at someone. If Johnny expressed that he had legitimate interest in signing here then I don't blame them for trying. I think the flames were blindsided if indeed they met his demands, and then still left.

[RedHawk12]

Originally Posted by GKDarts

Well let's see...

1) Go back to the draft or latest, pre trade deadline 2021 - Tre has leverage, Johnny's NTC hasn't kicked in and he has 1.5 years of term left. Tre doesn't give Johnny an ultimatum where he accepts a fair/good long term deal or face being shopped. Tre misses the best opportunity he has to maximize on an asset that will only diminish after that point.

2) If you accept that #1 was done in consult with ownership and based on Tre's view that he'd get done with Johnny (Bingo's view), it turns out Tre had no clue in reading the player/agent. Isn't that one of the central aspects of Tre's job?

3) Not only did Tre mis-read every aspect of the negotiation, his offer to Johnny was made public so, the org is further humiliated by a player taking $15MM less and not going home. Calgary as a destination for players/agents has to be at an all time low.

If you hate Tre and want him gone, I guess you can spin your all your arguments to support your position, which is what you just did. What you just said makes absolutely no sense logically.

I'm speculating, but I think Johnny and Gross overplayed their hand going to market, and they burned their bridge with Calgary by officially notifying Tre that he wasn't coming back.

You talk about the Flames humiliating Johnny? Johnny would have humiliated himself by crawling back to the Flames.

[GKDarts]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

OK that's your view. I think there's a lot of negative spin to that.
Remember I was someone who always said there were 3 outcomes:
- Trade Johnny
- Sign him to a long-term deal that probably wouldn't be good
- Lose him for nothing.

So I don't disagree they should have traded him years ago. But I also understand that was unlikely.

The rest...meh. That's just you needing to point the finger at someone. If Johnny expressed that he had legitimate interest in signing here then I don't blame them for trying. I think the flames were blindsided if indeed they met his demands, and then still left.

Are you saying that misreading a two year negotiation with your crown jewel warrants an "awww shucks, tough one...you got snookered, better luck with the next one!" reaction? How is that not a catastrophic failure by the GM?

Not sure what would warrant a firing in your book.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by GKDarts

Are you saying that misreading a two year negotiation with your crown jewel warrants an "awww shucks, tough one...you got snookered, better luck with the next one!" reaction? How is that not a catastrophic failure by the GM?

Not sure what would warrant a firing in your book.

If he failed to make sure his superiors understood the risks involved in not trading Johnny then yes he should be fired.
But the Flames as a group, including owners, likely decided to take that risk.

Therefore I don't know how you can fire him.

As for mis-reading things? Hard to guess without knowing what was said and not said. I'm not one to call for someone to be fired based on rumors and incomplete information.

Again you are welcome to want him fired. That's cool. I just don't agree.

[GKDarts]

Originally Posted by RedHawk12

If you hate Tre and want him gone, I guess you can spin your all your arguments to support your position, which is what you just did. What you just said makes absolutely no sense logically.

I'm speculating, but I think Johnny and Gross overplayed their hand going to market, and they burned their bridge with Calgary by officially notifying Tre that he wasn't coming back.

You talk about the Flames humiliating Johnny? Johnny would have humiliated himself by crawling back to the Flames.

I've been a vocal supporter of Tre from the start...didn't fall off the bandwagon until draft 2021 came and went with no Johnny deal, either way.

feel free to point out the logic flaws...

[Meers]

What stuns me is that Johnny's agent was okay with his client taking $15 million less to play elsewhere - and didn't communicate that sentiment to Treliving.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by Meers

What stuns me is that Johnny's agent was okay with his client taking $15 million less to play elsewhere - and didn't communicate that sentiment to Treliving.

When they rejected Calgary, I would assume they had higher hopes.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by TheSquatch

Turns out.

LOLZ.

That's the only explanation at this point. I understand New Jersey but Columbus

[lazypucker]

After I thought about it for a bit, maybe Treliving is smarter than we think (or maybe lucky).

He knew he offered the most money for Johnny but got rejected, then he went to have a news conference saying he tried his best (actually true) to keep Johnny but couldn't.

Now Philly and NJ not offering a contract, and Johnny can't even come back but to sign a lesser deal in Columbus.

It may look like Johnny is screwing the Flames and Treliving, but actually it is Treliving screwing Johnny out of like $15 mil in the end (and to play in a lesser team) by shutting the door last night.

Flames fans feel like Johnny kicks us in the nuts, but in reality Johnny is kicking his own nuts now....

[CalgaryFan1988]

Any rumours on NJ offering a contract (or not)?