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Old 07-13-2022, 01:17 PM   #1601
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To be fair, it depends where you live in the States. If you live in California, your cost of living is easily higher than anywhere in Canada.
Not Vancouver.
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Old 07-13-2022, 01:18 PM   #1602
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I mean, what if you're talking about a ~15 million dollar discrepancy in the NYI/NJ offers from Calgary's?

How much of a haircut is he willing to take for family proximity comfort?
Calgary is no longer able to make an offer which would create that discrepancy. 8 years is no longer available.
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Not Vancouver.
Probably similar. San Francisco is probably more expensive
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Old 07-13-2022, 01:19 PM   #1604
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I wonder if he received poor advice from his agent in terms of process, timing etc - in that he could have wound up in the same place at the end of the day while giving the Flames other options.

Perhaps another agency would have handled things differently.
But this is why he needed to take the bull by the horns and do it right, because giving your rights holding team some options is a no brainer, agent advice be damned. The agent works for him, not the other way around.

I can't help but think Gaudreau isn't a guy that takes initiative well. At least he was good enough to have that honest discussion in the end, but it doesn't mean a lot when you're leaving that team without a life boat.
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Old 07-13-2022, 01:21 PM   #1605
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And just to add to people still pining for Johnny to pivot back to Calgary.

1. Tre was very clear that is not something he expected (testing free agency vs. leaving Calgary)

2. His agent and himself would have talked thru that outcome because it costs him a year and I just don't see that...i.e. he can only sign 7-year terms now.

His agent must have a good handle on the market and they're trying to squeeze out the best deal period while having him close to home, that's all.
Yeah not going to happen but Johnny may regret it a little if he left too much money on the table
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Old 07-13-2022, 01:22 PM   #1606
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And just to add to people still pining for Johnny to pivot back to Calgary.

1. Tre was very clear that is not something he expected (testing free agency vs. leaving Calgary)

2. His agent and himself would have talked thru that outcome because it costs him a year and I just don't see that...i.e. he can only sign 7-year terms now.

His agent must have a good handle on the market and they're trying to squeeze out the best deal period while having him close to home, that's all.
Its also possible that certain dominos need to fall for whatever deal is brewing to go through.

The thing is, even if he were to pivot back to Calgary...that would be a tough sell and he's burned that 8th year, as you said.
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Calgary is no longer able to make an offer which would create that discrepancy. 8 years is no longer available.
Indeed.

Nvm, misread your post. Yeah Calgary can't offer 8 anymore either.. He knowingly gave up a fair bit of dough yesterday.

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Old 07-13-2022, 01:24 PM   #1609
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Calgary is no longer able to make an offer which would create that discrepancy. 8 years is no longer available.
Nevertheless, Johnny had a chance to make that extra money and chose to forgo it.
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He is going to Philly. If he was going to NJ it would have been done. I think he is just waiting for them to do whatever moves they have to for them to afford him.
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Indeed.

If the AAV is lower than the Flames offer too then he loses a lot of dough, hence the ~15M suggestion.

Quite a bit to give up.
right but the post you responded to was talking about a pivot back to Calgary. He can't do that now, at least not to save $15M
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Old 07-13-2022, 01:26 PM   #1613
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I also wonder what the hold up is. Especially if that NJ 10.2M off was true. Unless he is holding out for a single team.
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Old 07-13-2022, 01:26 PM   #1614
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Probably similar. San Francisco is probably more expensive
Probably similar is a bit different than "easily higher", and California is a lot more than San Francisco.
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Old 07-13-2022, 01:27 PM   #1615
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He is going to Philly. If he was going to NJ it would have been done. I think he is just waiting for them to do whatever moves they have to for them to afford him.
That's my take too.

Devils likely have the best offer on the table right now. But Gaudreau is holding out hope that Philly can make the space for him because that's his preferred destination.

Money clearly isn't the determining factor here either...he likely gave up about $12-14M in guaranteed salary by not taking the Flames $10.5M x 8 offer yesterday.

Calgary should be on the phone with Philly to be honest. I'd be okay with taking Konecny or Provorov off their hands for free.
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Old 07-13-2022, 01:27 PM   #1616
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Yeah not going to happen but Johnny may regret it a little if he left too much money on the table
Gaudreau regretting leaving money on the table? Good.

I hope it ends up north of $15M.
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Old 07-13-2022, 01:27 PM   #1617
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Indeed.

Nvm, misread your post. Yeah Calgary can't offer 8 anymore either.. He knowingly gave up a fair bit of dough yesterday.
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He is going to Philly. If he was going to NJ it would have been done. I think he is just waiting for them to do whatever moves they have to for them to afford him.
Nope, I think Gross is squeezing them. And I think the offers may be coming in a little lower than anticipated. I feel like people here are in a bit of a bubble as to values other teams assign to players.
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Hopefully his agent made a colossal miscalculation and the offers Johnny is currently getting are way lower than he thought.

Maybe Johnny comes back to Brad cap in hand.
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I wouldn't be shocked if whatever team promised Johnny the moon to leave the Flames is now trying to negotiate down.
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Old 07-13-2022, 01:30 PM   #1620
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The worst part is when he wins the Hart with a season that was worse than the one he had with us, but now he's out east so people will actually watch him.
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