07-13-2022, 10:58 AM
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#1661
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by Aarongavey
Marchment had 11 NHL points in 37 games before last year.
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So that means he's on a sharp upward trajectory in production. Isn't that good?
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07-13-2022, 10:58 AM
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#1662
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bigrangy
Marchment was like 0.85 points per game with the Panthers. Might be a drop in replacement at 1LW. Don’t know how much of a one off last year was for him though.
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I think a lot of players over produced in Florida for what should be typically expected (Duclair, Marchment, Bennett, likely more). I would be cautious picking up Marchment and expecting the same type of output.
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07-13-2022, 11:03 AM
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#1663
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I believe in the Jays.
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Originally Posted by Number 39
Is it still required if we’re not signing Johnny? Probably would cost us assets.
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Nah, Flames have already paid his bonus money so his actual salary is minimal. Some team would take him without us having to add a sweetener.
Question is are the Flames going to take another shot at competing this year? If no, then keep Lucic because he's entertaining in a way that won't get in the way of a tank. If yes then you still need to move him because we need that cap space to replace Gaudreau's impact as best we can.
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07-13-2022, 11:03 AM
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#1664
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
Or sit on the sideline and retain maximum flexibility going forward.
If the Flames do nothing of note today I won't be unhappy.
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Flexibility is just unused potential. Which gets you nowhere unless you know with patience a huge opportunity is down the road (like a top forwards going UFA)
You have Sutter here as a bench boss. You're just going to sit on your hands and feel good about having cap flexibility while you suffer the hit of losing Gaudreau and not trying to replace that offense and wizzing away an elite coach year?
I think it's important they do something, as a message to their team (and guys they want to extend) as well as the fans.
Its important to be calculated about it, but to not just be idle & satisfied either.
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07-13-2022, 11:04 AM
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#1665
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by djsFlames
Flexibility is just unused potential. Which gets you nowhere unless you know with patience a huge opportunity is down the road (like a top forwards going UFA)
You have Sutter here as a bench boss. You're just going to sit on your hands and feel good about having cap flexibility while you suffer the hit of losing Gaudreau and not trying to replace that offense and wizzing away an elite coach year?
I think it's important they do something, as a message to their team (and guys they want to extend) as well as the fans.
Its important to be calculated about it, but to not just be idle & satisfied either.
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I don't think they have much flexibility this year anyways after they sign Kylington, Eat Bread, Tkachuk. I'm interested in maintaining cap flexibility downtstream and not committing term to middling players.
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07-13-2022, 11:19 AM
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#1666
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Scoring Winger
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
I don't think they have much flexibility this year anyways after they sign Kylington, Eat Bread, Tkachuk. I'm interested in maintaining cap flexibility downtstream and not committing term to middling players.
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I don't want anything splashy today. Figure out who of your current FAs are willing to sign long term extensions and make plans for the future.
Maybe you have something like the following praying Monahan can recover:
Mangiapane -- Lindholm -- Tkachuk
Monahan -- Backlund -- Coleman
Pelletier -- Ruzicka -- Dube
Lucic -- Rooney -- Dueher
That forward depth sure looks different without Gaudreau but maybe a healthy Monahan and elevated role for Mangiapane can help reduce some of the loss.
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07-13-2022, 11:19 AM
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#1667
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Resident Videologist
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Calgary
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07-13-2022, 11:21 AM
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#1668
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Moscow
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Quote:
Originally Posted by NegativeSpace
I don't want anything splashy today. Figure out who of your current FAs are willing to sign long term extensions and make plans for the future.
Maybe you have something like the following praying Monahan can recover:
Mangiapane -- Lindholm -- Tkachuk
Monahan -- Backlund -- Coleman
Pelletier -- Ruzicka -- Dube
Lucic -- Rooney -- Dueher
That forward depth sure looks different without Gaudreau but maybe a healthy Monahan and elevated role for Mangiapane can help reduce some of the loss.
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Those lines scream "10th place in the Western Conference" to me.
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07-13-2022, 11:48 AM
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#1669
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
I don't think the team is going to re-build.
I think the path forward is
- They will try to retool and compete this year
- If they aren't in a playoff position they will deal off some vets
- The opportunity for a true re-build happens next summer with a potential new coach and new GM at the helm.
This year will be a weird year I think. A transition year if you will.
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The one thing they cannot do is allow Tkachuk to walk next year, either sign or trade before the season starts. My gut feeling with Gaudreau was that he was going to prioritize family/location over money, with Tkachuk my feeling is he's orchestrated this chance at early free agency and is going to take this opportunity to earn a massive contract. Flames are in a tough spot if that's the case, teams are spending their budgets this week and getting rosters settled. Will get tougher for a team to take on the $9M contract as the summer goes on.
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07-13-2022, 11:49 AM
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#1670
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AC
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Yes!!!!!!!!!
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07-13-2022, 11:59 AM
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#1671
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Scoring Winger
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Makarov
Those lines scream "10th place in the Western Conference" to me.
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I don't disagree. They had seasons of 10th place with Gaudreau as well. Maybe more juice can be squeezed from this roster than we are giving credit.
I certainly don't want them buying any free agent without a clear plan in place. Free agency is for supplementing your roster, not building it. I am praying that Treliving only signs a veteran if there is a deal available.
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07-13-2022, 12:04 PM
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#1672
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Kelowna
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Aarongavey
Flames should be eating salary for picks this year, not trading picks for another team to eat salary.
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Well I don’t think we’d have to eat anything on Lucic’s contract given he’s only 1 million in actual salary. If we move him we have more space to take on bad contracts and get picks/prospects. I’m in the burn it to the ground camp though. Trade Tkachuk asap as well.
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07-13-2022, 12:04 PM
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#1673
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Franchise Player
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I think that the Flames are more than likely still a playoff team without Gaudreau (knock on wood for injuries or other unforeseen bad luck). I do think that without Gaudreau, it most certainly is a step down in their ability to compete with other teams as it stands right now, however.
Waiting to see how the roster looks by opening night. I was very down on the Flames at this time last season, until I saw an actual blueprint being followed, and I was quickly onboard with my pom poms before the season kicked-off. More trepidation this year with Gaudreau gone, but this is not a bad team by any stretch. Lets see what Treliving does between now and opening night.
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07-13-2022, 12:15 PM
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#1674
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Van Island
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Are there any interesting RFAs to target with offer sheets?
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07-13-2022, 12:18 PM
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#1675
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Saskatoon
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I could see the Flames being in on Klingberg.
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07-13-2022, 12:18 PM
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#1676
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Crash and Bang Winger
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Quote:
Originally Posted by NegativeSpace
I don't want anything splashy today. Figure out who of your current FAs are willing to sign long term extensions and make plans for the future.
Maybe you have something like the following praying Monahan can recover:
Mangiapane -- Lindholm -- Tkachuk
Monahan -- Backlund -- Coleman
Pelletier -- Ruzicka -- Dube
Lucic -- Rooney -- Dueher
That forward depth sure looks different without Gaudreau but maybe a healthy Monahan and elevated role for Mangiapane can help reduce some of the loss.
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Toffoli?
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07-13-2022, 12:18 PM
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#1677
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by NegativeSpace
I don't want anything splashy today. Figure out who of your current FAs are willing to sign long term extensions and make plans for the future.
Maybe you have something like the following praying Monahan can recover:
Mangiapane -- Lindholm -- Tkachuk
Monahan -- Backlund -- Coleman
Pelletier -- Ruzicka -- Dube
Lucic -- Rooney -- Dueher
That forward depth sure looks different without Gaudreau but maybe a healthy Monahan and elevated role for Mangiapane can help reduce some of the loss.
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We would have a lot of cap space if they rolled those lines.
Toffoli on the top line. Monahan 3c and things look better as well
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07-13-2022, 12:22 PM
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#1678
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Franchise Player
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I am hopeful that Monahan returns this season as a fairly productive player. Who knows. It is hard to do stuff well when stuff hurts. Hope he will be pain-free, and hope to see him have a bounce-back season as an offensive player.
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07-13-2022, 12:23 PM
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#1679
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Indiana
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I don't know how you could possibly justify giving Dueher a spot, even on the 4th line, over someone like Justin Kirkland at this point.
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07-13-2022, 12:24 PM
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#1680
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1qqaaz
I don't know how you could possibly justify giving Dueher a spot, even on the 4th line, over someone like Justin Kirkland at this point.
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Kirkland is a UFA I believe
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