2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by dino7c

He already has a deal with another team, used the Flames best offer as leverage

But where is the leverage? The most he can have is a handshake agreement, which is worth precisely nothing. Now that we know he wasn't re-signing with the Flames at any price, whatever money they offered is a moot point.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Sec214

The Tkachuks are a circus and it’s great for business. I don’t think Matthew wants to go through a rebuild retool restructure reorganization whatever you want to label it. He wants to get paid and his name is farm more popular in a US market then Canada.

Most Americans don't know what a Tkachuk is, or whether you cook it for dinner or mount it on your car.

Anyway, if circuses are so great for business, why do most NHL teams go to such extreme lengths to avoid them?

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

But where is the leverage? The most he can have is a handshake agreement, which is worth precisely nothing. Now that we know he wasn't re-signing with the Flames at any price, whatever money they offered is a moot point.

I mean his agent could say look...we have 8x10.5 on the table here, if you want us to even consider going to UFA we need to be as close as possible ect.

All these "leaks" aren't accidental

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Sec214

In any good contract negotiation you need someone to be willing to drive your price point. Johnnys is 80+ million which Calgary did with 8x10. Johns representative lit the smoke signal with leaks of Calgary going above 80 Million, Previously offer before the season was the Kucherov 76. Multiple Eastern teams signal back that they can drive for roughly the same price tag of 80+ Million. Once you have multiple signals you no longer need to consider Calgary. These eastern teams will bid even some teams you won’t think about.

But he could have got exactly the same result by simply announcing earlier that he was going UFA, at which point all those Eastern teams could have bid on his services openly.

If the original bidder drops out of an auction – worse still, if it turns out that the seller never had any intention of accepting any bid from that bidder – then the bid is no good and nobody remaining in the auction has to worry about matching it.

There are reasons for a team to offer Gaudreau $80 million, but the Flames' defunct offer is not one.

Originally Posted by dino7c

I mean his agent could say look...we have 8x10.5 on the table here, if you want us to even consider going to UFA we need to be as close as possible ect.

And now he has gone UFA, his bridges are burnt, and that 8 x whatever is no longer on the table. So he can just suck it up and deal with the situation as it is now.

All these "leaks" aren't accidental

Nobody actually leaked a figure of 8x10.5. What was leaked a couple of days ago was 8x9.5, which was an initial offer that nobody expected Gaudreau to take. You don't build up a price for yourself by telling people that your existing employer is lowballing you.

Anyway, there is still no obligation for anyone to pay Gaudreau $84 million on his next contract. There is, in fact, no obligation for anyone to pay him at all. Every team that may have made him an informal offer was technically tampering, so none of those offers are legally binding. If I were running any of those teams, I'd be telling Mr. Gross to cut the crap, and I would make a lower bid.

[Sec214]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Most Americans don't know what a Tkachuk is, or whether you cook it for dinner or mount it on your car.

Anyway, if circuses are so great for business, why do most NHL teams go to such extreme lengths to avoid them?

Yeah sure but when I speak about the Tkachuk name I’m talking about the hockey fan base in America which isn’t small but obviously is small in terms of the leagues captured audience vs population in America.

[Sec214]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

But he could have got exactly the same result by simply announcing earlier that he was going UFA, at which point all those Eastern teams could have bid on his services openly.

If the original bidder drops out of an auction – worse still, if it turns out that the seller never had any intention of accepting any bid from that bidder – then the bid is no good and nobody remaining in the auction has to worry about matching it.

There are reasons for a team to offer Gaudreau $80 million, but the Flames' defunct offer is not one.



Nobody actually leaked a figure of 8x10.5. What was leaked a couple of days ago was 8x9.5, which was an initial offer that nobody expected Gaudreau to take. You don't build up a price for yourself by telling people that your existing employer is lowballing you.

Leverage. One simple word.

The same thing doesn’t happen organically if he says I want to go home on Garbage Bag day because teams can’t technically Negotiate with Johnny till tomorrow and the agent wouldn’t have leverage to flex on potential bidders.

Professional Athletes specially in hockey are like car’s they don’t gain value when you drive it off the lot and into your driveway.

You think buffalo likes that Jeff Skinner deal?
How about Karlsson in San Jose?

The figure wasn’t leaked? Your clearly just skimming threads or discredit peoples “chum in the water” as clout.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Sec214

Leverage. One simple word.

Again. The only leverage here was teams thinking they had to compete against the Flames. Now they know the Flames were never in it, so why do they even have to consider that offer? They only have to compete with each other.

The same thing doesn’t happen organically if he says I want to go home on Garbage Bag day because teams can’t technically Negotiate with Johnny till tomorrow and the agent wouldn’t have leverage to flex on potential bidders.

Teams can tamper with a pending UFA whether his existing team is negotiating with him or not. If he had simply said he wasn't re-signing, all the negotiations could have been out in the open and he would have got all the leverage he needed from that.

You honestly think the biggest name to hit UFA in years hasn't got leverage already? You sound like the guy who added a lawnmower engine to his Ferrari to help it go faster.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Sec214

Yeah sure but when I speak about the Tkachuk name I’m talking about the hockey fan base in America which isn’t small but obviously is small in terms of the leagues captured audience vs population in America.

I don't think you'll find that hockey fans in the U.S. care any more about the Tkachuk name than hockey fans in Canada. It's a big name in St. Louis because of Keith; not so much anywhere else.

[Sec214]

Okay Jay, I disagree with you but I guess I’ll take my Ferrari with a lawnmower engine and give you a thumbs up. you strike me as a guy who probably struggles with the concept of putting a 10 piece puzzle together.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Sec214

Okay Jay, I disagree with you but I guess I’ll take my Ferrari with a lawnmower engine and give you a thumbs up. you strike me as a guy who probably struggles with the concept of putting a 10 piece puzzle together.

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you Sec214, the new poster child for Dunning-Kruger Effect.

If you want to prove you're stupid, the quickest way is to go around saying, ‘I don't understand this so it must be dumb.’ Which is just what you've done here.

[Sec214]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you Sec214, the new poster child for Dunning-Kruger Effect.

If you want to prove you're stupid, the quickest way is to go around saying, ‘I don't understand this so it must be dumb.’ Which is just what you've done here.

Got me.
I’ve been exposed

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Again. The only leverage here was teams thinking they had to compete against the Flames. Now they know the Flames were never in it, so why do they even have to consider that offer? They only have to compete with each other.



Teams can tamper with a pending UFA whether his existing team is negotiating with him or not. If he had simply said he wasn't re-signing, all the negotiations could have been out in the open and he would have got all the leverage he needed from that.

You honestly think the biggest name to hit UFA in years hasn't got leverage already? You sound like the guy who added a lawnmower engine to his Ferrari to help it go faster.

the competition is over...he has a deal he just can't announce it yet

[The Wolfman]

You guys are nailing this trade and speculation thread everyone skip over page 78 and just go to 79

[Poe969]

Wtf? Are we trading for a lawn mower or a Ferrari?

[Roof-Daddy]

Tkachuk for Zacha, Holtz and NJD 2023 1st?

I don't think Jersey is going to get Johnny, I think he goes to Philly. Jersey should be hungry to add a premier winger.

Tkachuk + Valimaki for Bratt, Holtz, 2023 1st?
Tkachuk + Hanifin for Bratt, Holtz, Smith, 2023 1st?

I dunno

[Poe969]

I'd be asking markstrom if he's willing to go to the devils or caps or one of the teams without a starter. If they made him available, he'd be the best option out there.

[Flames1217]

Really hoping the management team doesn't do anything crazy today.

Sign Burakovsky to like a 6 year 5.5 million dollar deal.
Sign a solid third line center.
Bring back Jarnkrok.

[tkflames]

Originally Posted by Flames1217

Really hoping the management team doesn't do anything crazy today.

Sign Burakovsky to like a 6 year 5.5 million dollar deal.
Sign a solid third line center.
Bring back Jarnkrok.

That Burakovsky deal would be crazy...

[Flames1217]

Originally Posted by tkflames

That Burakovsky deal would be crazy...

Big, quick and can put up points. Fella will get paid.

I honestly don't even think that 5.5 gets it done.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Flames1217

Really hoping the management team doesn't do anything crazy today.

Sign Burakovsky to like a 6 year 5.5 million dollar deal.
Sign a solid third line center.
Bring back Jarnkrok.

Hell no to signing that deal to Burakovsky. He’s so inconsistent.