Seravalli: Gaudreau has informed the Flames he will not return

[Yoho]

I’m already scared we will screw up next years first round pick

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Elkyiv

I don't understand the rebuild talk. Is there no one we can sign in FA that can replace his numbers?

A 100+ point winger? Maybe Malkin? He can play wing but he's getting a little long in the tooth too.

The fact of the matter is that a good chunk of this core is ageing out. That is a simple but harsh reality.

[Sec214]

Originally Posted by Locke

A 100+ point winger? Maybe Malkin? He can play wing but he's getting a little long in the tooth too.

The fact of the matter is that a good chunk of this core is ageing out. That is a simple but harsh reality.

Malkin is going to NYR.

[Yoho]

Oh and by the way Monahan. You’re gone! No more feel good friend stories. Beat it!

[iamca]

Don’t care who they sign, this team is going to be bad. Johnny was the straw that stirred the drink offensively and his defensive play under Sutter was much improved.

Terrible news and worse timing.


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[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by manwiches

Why not sign an 8 year, cement your legacy as a flame and as one of the greatest of all times and likely HOFer, best chance to win a Cup, and then sign a 1 year at the end to finish your career in your hometown.



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Because he wants to live in the eastern US.

His best chance of winning a cup in his career is likely going to NJ.

[Roof-Daddy]

I kind of hope Tkachuk wants out now and that hopefully we can get a nice return for him.

I don't he'll ever duplicate that season again and that we'd be hopefully selling high.

If that scenario plays out I guess the silver lining is we won't be building the team around a pair of wingers wo eat up $20-22 million cap for the next 8 years...

[VANFLAMESFAN]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

The organization has to be intellectually honest with themselves, they were barely competitive against the Avs, Oilers and etc with Johnny. Without Johnny and the top line, this team has nothing.

Tie games in third period of games 2, 4 and 5 vs Edmonton is “barely competitive”. Interesting.

Beating Colorado in Colorado and losing a one goal game is “barely competitive”.

Tough crowd.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Yoho

Oh and by the way Monahan. You’re gone! No more feel good friend stories. Beat it!

Easier said than done.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Has this been shared yet? Because it’s the first time I’ve smiled since thee news broke:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1547042201858805760

Francis actually retracted his comments by saying he thought Johnny would re-sign after his post season presser. I did as well based on the things Johnny said. At the time, it did not sound like a good bye.

So Francis, was essentially wrong twice. He’s not an insider, he knows nothing.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by VANFLAMESFAN

Tie games in third period of games 2, 4 and 5 vs Edmonton is “barely competitive”. Interesting.

Beating Colorado in Colorado and losing a one goal game is “barely competitive”.

Tough crowd.

are we oilering with "closest 5 game series ever"?

[Jiri Hrdina]

Random thoughts as this sinks in
- Thank goodness the team has their 1st next year
- We've heard that Johnny talked to players about coming here, such as Coleman. One has to wonder if those conversations included Blake asking Johnny if he intended to stay beyond one year.
- For the poster who suggested the past treatment of RFAs and Gio could influence these decisions, I just don't see it. Clearly players are going to look at for themselves, so you have to be equally brutal the other way. Start thinking of players as assets. Loyalty goes both ways or doesn't exist at all. Clearly it's the latter so act accordingly.
- Maybe the team should double down on Team Sweden. And with that, avoid Americans.
- It drives me nuts that the Oilers tanked their way into two franchise players, and the Flames drafted two with late round picks. The team that actually was smarter, gets burned. The team that has been an embarrassment of failure ends up in a better state. Brutal.
- It may be hard to swallow today, but a 8 year deal at 11.5M (or something like that) was probably at some point going to feel like the Burns/Karlsson deals feel like in SJ. In the long-run this might be better. What sucks is losing the player for nothing again.
- I have a lot of respect for PL Dubois for being extremely up front with Winnipeg and giving them plenty of time to make the right decisions with that knowledge in place.

[Elkyiv]

Originally Posted by Locke

A 100+ point winger? Maybe Malkin? He can play wing but he's getting a little long in the tooth too.

The fact of the matter is that a good chunk of this core is ageing out. That is a simple but harsh reality.

Malkin, Kadri, Giroux, Kane?

[Muta]

We're going to definitely need to start looking closer at building a team of players that are interested in being here for the long term; ones that see a vision for success, see the value in building a team as a whole (the Crosby discount), and have roots in this area if possible (similar to what happened today). Above all, we need a respected and revered organization that puts 100% into what the team, the players and the fan experience.

Then can we get to a point where star players are leaving American and eastern teams to 'come home' to play here. Even as a small market, I don't think it's impossible with the right vision and commitment to a plan.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Since Johnny was never going to be traded during the season, what assets could he have fetched once the season was over.

If the Flames weren’t looking super secure for the playoffs I think it would have been an ink or trade scenario at TDL. Maybe they’d still end up keeping him as their own ‘rental’, but they probably wouldn’t have deluded themselves into to ight’s disappointment

I bet a big part of the off season calculus was that in a contract year he’d be likely to up his value.


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[Elkyiv]

Originally Posted by Yoho

No more dumb free agent signings.

Only JG signing is the smart one?

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

More or less that this was years in the making and that the Flames did not do a good job protecting the team.

That this team needs to be more realistic about who wants to be here and who doesn't and more or less be pretty clear - if you want to be here, sign a contract in advance. If you don't? Be honest with the fans, and trade the player because they have to manage the asset.

Protect the Calgary Flames above all else.

Can't argue with that. Gaudreau eventually leaving always seemed like it was probable. His mom cried when he was drafted by Calgary because it was too far from home. It was hard to convince him to sign out of college (again, mom pushing him to stay in college). His follow-up contract was a difficult negotiation. His family liked to visit, but it almost always came with comments about how far it was for them and how nice it would be if Calgary wasn't so far to travel.

You just knew that eventually he would want to move closer to home. His wife becoming impregnated probably helped that decision too.

[DiracSpike]

Originally Posted by VANFLAMESFAN

Tie games in third period of games 2, 4 and 5 vs Edmonton is “barely competitive”. Interesting.

Beating Colorado in Colorado and losing a one goal game is “barely competitive”.

Tough crowd.

We lost in 5 game to the Oilers. Who lost in 4 games to the Avs. That's really all there is to know, the Flames weren't close to cup contention with gaudrea at 6 and they sure as hell wouldn't be with him at 11 or whatever people wanted to pay him.

Isn't the "close sweep" canard something we all make fun of oilers fans for? The flames have never won more than 5 playoff games with this core iteration, the record speaks for itself.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Elkyiv

Malkin, Kadri, Giroux, Kane?

So a bunch of dudes well on the wrong side of 30? To what end?

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

So Francis, was essentially wrong twice.

Well then allow me to get my sock.