Matthew Tkachuk & Johnny Gaudreau Signing Watch Thread

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

If Johnny does not re-sign and Tkachuk won’t sign long term there is no point in spending assets to get rid of lucic . Granted I think both sign and lucic is traded .

I doubt there would be much assets to get rid of Lucic. With him being owed only $1M this year, some team wanting to hit the floor cheaply would want him.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

If the first offer was at $9.5M as rumoured, a "massive offer" would, in my mind, be $11M plus.

$10.5M x 8 would still be a massive offer at $84M

That would be the fourth largest active contract behind just McDavid, Doughty, and Karlsson

[LIP MAN]

Stay Johnny Stay!

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Poe969

It's going to be trificult...

Is that, like, three-times as difficult?


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[Mr.Coffee]

The other one who may want out if things don't work for Gaudreau is Sutter. At least, if I was Sutter I wouldn't want to waste my time next season.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

I'm not saying this wasn't predictable. It is well documented on this very site just how predictable this was and exactly how it could play out. What I find annoying is this very predictable outcome was well documented, very publicly discussed, and the team still couldn't find a way to avoid these very circumstances. That is shocking to me. There are some reasonably intelligent people associated with the team and it still ended up in this situation.

It is shocking to you since you clearly don't get how reality in the NHL works.

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[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

$10.5M x 8 would still be a massive offer at $84M

That would be the fourth largest active contract behind just McDavid, Doughty, and Karlsson

I was thinking more about AAV.

Kane and Toews also have that same contract.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

It is shocking to you since you clearly don't get how reality in the NHL works.

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Seems my view of the NHL reality is much more in line with what is happening than yours. Everything I suggested a couple years ago is playing out in a very painful way. Now run along. Go do your antiquities-based Harry Potter fan fiction and continue hiding behind your moderator status.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Put this on the trade thread instead of this thread by accident.

Frank on the fan still saying he doesn’t know but he says there has been a significant push from the Flames. A massive offer in front of Johnny that makes him one of the highest paid players in the league.

Frank implied they are at $10M+ right now

I mean Frank has to say something, but its pretty clear posters in this thread know as much as he does. Most of the insiders are quiet on this because there is no news coming out. They are asking other NHL guys and people who know Johnny - what do you think this means or what do you think he will do.

But they have not released anything we haven't heard here first.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I was thinking more about AAV.

Kane and Toews also have that same contract.

Even then…10 players in the league have an AAV of $10.5M or higher

McDavid: $12.5M
Panarin: $11.6M
Matthews: $11.6M
Karlsson: $11.5M
Doughty: $11.0M
Tavares: $11.0M
Marner: $10.9M
Price: $10.5M
Kane: $10.5M
Toews: $10.5M

Anywhere between $10.5M and $11.0M over 8 years is a massive offer and one of the largest in NHL history.

Flames have clearly made a fair offer to Gaudreau if the rumors are true and it’s just up to him now if he really wants to go to PHI or NJ or stay in Calgary.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by mdubz

Is this happening or just a rumour somewhere?

More likely it is the Twitter folks just trying to put two and two together.

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[bluejays]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Even then…10 players in the league have an AAV of $10.5M or higher

McDavid: $12.5M
Panarin: $11.6M
Matthews: $11.6M
Karlsson: $11.5M
Doughty: $11.0M
Tavares: $11.0M
Marner: $10.9M
Price: $10.5M
Kane: $10.5M
Toews: $10.5M

Anywhere between $10.5M and $11.0M over 8 years is a massive offer and one of the largest in NHL history.

Flames have clearly made a fair offer to Gaudreau if the rumors are true and it’s just up to him now if he really wants to go to PHI or NJ or stay in Calgary.

If he wants more than $9.5M I think the Flames should walk, personally. Half those names on that list aren’t worth that either. Johnny isn’t a franchise player to lead a team to the cup. He’s a first line star for sure but he’s very much a secondary guy like Marner. He’s well within his right to seek out his max value but the Flames have been trapped with bad contracts since time. Overpaying for him wouldn’t be good.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by fleury

If he wants more than $9.5M I think the Flames should walk, personally. Half those names on that list aren’t worth that either. Johnny isn’t a franchise player to lead a team to the cup. He’s a first line star for sure but he’s very much a secondary guy like Marner. He’s well within his right to seek out his max value but the Flames have been trapped with bad contracts since time. Overpaying for him wouldn’t be good.

Who exactly is he secondary to in Calgary that was a 111 point team in the regular season?

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by fleury

If he wants more than $9.5M I think the Flames should walk, personally. Half those names on that list aren’t worth that either. Johnny isn’t a franchise player to lead a team to the cup. He’s a first line star for sure but he’s very much a secondary guy like Marner. He’s well within his right to seek out his max value but the Flames have been trapped with bad contracts since time. Overpaying for him wouldn’t be good.

I’m not sure 9.5 is the number but this is a sensible post. Losing gaudreau will absolutely suck. But if he number is too high or he doesn’t want to be here what we’re you supposed to do? Trade him before a all time great franchise season where he was a key component to getting the flames to the second round for only the third time since 1989?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Seems my view of the NHL reality is much more in line with what is happening than yours. Everything I suggested a couple years ago is playing out in a very painful way. Now run along. Go do your antiquities-based Harry Potter fan fiction and continue hiding behind your moderator status.

Hoping Johnny signs quickly before our very own Nostradamus who gets fainting spells from the shock of his own predictions catches another case of the vapours and we lose him forever.

[Ashasx]

Treliving take my energy

[bax]

Originally Posted by fleury

If he wants more than $9.5M I think the Flames should walk, personally. Half those names on that list aren’t worth that either. Johnny isn’t a franchise player to lead a team to the cup. He’s a first line star for sure but he’s very much a secondary guy like Marner. He’s well within his right to seek out his max value but the Flames have been trapped with bad contracts since time. Overpaying for him wouldn’t be good.

Gaudreau and Marner aren’t secondary players in anyway. They are foundational players.

Paying market value for franchise players is a good thing. You don’t walk away over a million bucks. The guy just had the most even strength points in an nhl season in nearly 30 years.

You hurt your team by overpaying bottom six players in free agency.

Gaudreau is a frickin unicorn in the NHL. You do whatever you can to keep him

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Who exactly is he secondary to in Calgary that was a 111 point team in the regular season?

It was definitely a great season. Was he or Tkachuk able to plow through in the playoffs? How about previous seasons? Was he consistent to deserve the franchise player tab? I’d look beyond the great regular season he just had, and simply ask if he’s the guy to lead the team down the road. I’d opine, no. And I don’t think the Flames have that guy. I’d also go further and say I think they should tank and build through the draft to get that guy.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by fleury

If he wants more than $9.5M I think the Flames should walk, personally. Half those names on that list aren’t worth that either. Johnny isn’t a franchise player to lead a team to the cup. He’s a first line star for sure but he’s very much a secondary guy like Marner. He’s well within his right to seek out his max value but the Flames have been trapped with bad contracts since time. Overpaying for him wouldn’t be good.

Johnny would likely become the Flames all time scorer during this contract and potentially a hall of fame himself and potentially a cup champion.
He's entering his prime now and is arguably a top 5 forward in the NHL, Top 10 for sure.

Most importantly this organization doesn't have another player like that coming up or available to them.
You have to access the player vs his peers in the league but also how important he is to this team.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Hoping Johnny signs quickly before our very own Nostradamus who gets fainting spells from the shock of his own predictions catches another case of the vapours and we lose him forever.

Do you ever add anything relevant to conversations, or just rely on your inane drive-bys to make yourself feel like you bring value to discourse? I've never seen one poster spend so much time fussing about others and be so oblivious to the topic in question.