Here's the problem with that. Correctly identifying that athroprogenic global warming is a real thing that is actually happening, and is caused by human activities, and will have (already is having) catastrophic consequences for humanity... has nothing to do with fear. It has everything to do with correctly assessing reality by using the scientific method, and responding in a justified manner. Scientists who have expertise in this area, and have extensively studied the matter, overwhelmingly agree on what is happening. Trusting what they're saying and responding accordingly isn't "joining a fear parade", it's simply doing what is rational.
Can you please be more specific about what your interpretation is of “catastrophic consequences” are and what you mean by this?
Also, can you please explain what you mean specifically with the “scientific method” applied to determine this? I bet most people would be blown away at the “science” of climate change, if they were being honest.
Just so you don’t go off the deep end we ultimately agree on this issue but these are important questions to address and for you to check yourself with.
A quick example of the problem with your statement is that “catastrophic consequences” can mean different things to different people, and also all people find other people dying acceptable on some level so careful on your answers here.
How about another example. The world's oceans being filled with plastic and other toxic substances. Am I supposed to just ignore the problem, pretend like it's not real, and find a waterfall to meditate next to? Sorry, but the answer is no. The problem is not fake, it's not fabricated, it's real. And yes it does effect me personally, even if I was to accept the absurd notion that I should have zero regard for anything that doesn't affect me personally. With marine life is laced with plastic (and lord knows what else), the only way to avoid literally eating toxic crap from the ocean is to forgo all seafood. Which sucks, because I like certain types of fish. Then there's the cascading effects of collapsing marine ecosystems, and the unforseen consequences those may have on humanity...
There are problems.
But THIS ONE PROBLEM- is most important.
Your job is to convince others why? Why are the oceans filled with plastic the biggest problem to me or that guy. Or that person?
People got problems. Like real big deal ####ing life and death #### in their families. So you should maybe pump the brakes about plastic in the ocean- and yet it also does not mean you are wrong. But when Timmy’s aunt is dying of cancer, guess where Timmy’s focus is?
Climate change is a real problem, climate change is also a media griff that has been going on for a century, alternating between saying the Earth is cooling or warming before finally settling on "climate change". The media will always cling to the most alarmist and extreme interpretation of the data, because it's a proven ratings winner, but the net effect is that people with no real ability to interpret data and fostering the most hysterical reaction get all the attention.
Am I supposed to just ignore the problem, pretend like it's not real, and find a waterfall to meditate next to? Sorry, but the answer is no.
Unironically the answer is yes, you are just framing the concept wrong
You dont have to ignore that bad things are happening in the world because there undoubtably is many ways that humans are destroying the only known place in the universe we have found that supports human life, but you need only worry about your own contributions because that's the only thing you can actually do. Nothing you as an individual will move the needle in any of these problems.
Now, instead of this being a defeatist approach, it's actually liberating. You can choose something that you can actually change in the world(maybe volunteer at a homeless shelter, volunteer to plant some trees, donate to ocean plastic activist charities, etc) and free up your mind from thinking about these things knowing that you did your part - aka the only thing you can actually do
Meditation is a fantastic tool to training you to control the thoughts you have. Thoughts aren't anything - they bubble up from your subconscious- it's our mind that gives them attention that makes them real. When you start focusing on the present, staying there and focusing on things you can actually effect in your life it gets so much easier and your life becomes so much happier. The only thing g there is, is right now. And now, and now.
Let go of thinking that typing lots of words into the internet to try to convince other people who also have no control over these things is making a difference, make changes in your life today towards things that affect you and your loved ones, learn to meditate and live in the present and realize that all there is, is right now and you wont be so dismissive of the suggestion
Climate change is a real problem, climate change is also a media griff that has been going on for a century, alternating between saying the Earth is cooling or warming before finally settling on "climate change". The media will always cling to the most alarmist and extreme interpretation of the data, because it's a proven ratings winner, but the net effect is that people with no real ability to interpret data and fostering the most hysterical reaction get all the attention.
Climate change is a media grift? Somehow I doubt its that much of a money maker. I mean outside of the Al Gore movies (which I doubt were really giant money makers) - what media of climate change has made a bunch of money?
While we muse about how the world is going to crumble, anyone else see glimmers of hope that break the darkness and show potential for mankind?
I can think of a couple that really brings us all together:
- Space exploration, including new discoveries that impact all humans
- Emerging (green) energy technologies that can be better sourced, converted and shared
- The power of Sports and athletics to unite
- Community support, social engagement and entrepreneurship to raise people out of poverty, sickness and turmoil
There are a lot of dividers, but there are a few things I think we can all agree on that can build this world into a better place.
Poverty levels , infant mortality rates , life expectancy , equality and women participating in education and the workforce have all gotten exponentially better over the past 20 years
It’s just we don’t care (or know the real stats) because globally speaking we are all in the top 10% and therefor spend our time creating / promoting irrational fears when most the world worries where their next meal and clean water come from
One day the Universe will die. One day the Sun will swallow the Earth. One day Humans will be extinct. One day you will die.
Why waste your life worrying about death, when it is just a natural part of life. The only reason I worry about fixing many of the issues today, is because we caused them. But really, I don't think people care enough to struggle now in order to preserve tomorrow.
Like everyone cries "what about the children" but in the end we really don't care because for the most part we'll be dead before long and its their problem.
I doubt the Cyanobacteria really cared about the mass extinction it created by spewing oxygen into the atmosphere - but it gave rise to land life. The meteor killed most of the Dinosaurs but Sharks are still here, Trees are still here.
I don't worry about mankind, I worry about life. And even if we screw everything up and leave the planet in a smoldering compost heap.. life is born in a compost heap.
I will fight to stop climate change, I will support activists, I will do what little one person can do, but in the end I am not going to let it keep me up at night. Humanity will die one day. But as Dr. Malcolm said - Life will find a way.
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Climate change is a media grift? Somehow I doubt its that much of a money maker. I mean outside of the Al Gore movies (which I doubt were really giant money makers) - what media of climate change has made a bunch of money?
Poverty levels , infant mortality rates , life expectancy , equality and women participating in education and the workforce have all gotten exponentially better over the past 20 years
It’s just we don’t care (or know the real stats) because globally speaking we are all in the top 10% and therefor spend our time creating / promoting irrational fears when most the world worries where their next meal and clean water come from
Arguably it's in part because the world is getting better for so many that sentiments in the West are increasingly doom and gloom.
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I'm gonna just leave this here. Might help some of you out with these existential issues you seem to be struggling with.
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While we muse about how the world is going to crumble, anyone else see glimmers of hope that break the darkness and show potential for mankind?
I can think of a couple that really brings us all together:
- Space exploration, including new discoveries that impact all humans
- Emerging (green) energy technologies that can be better sourced, converted and shared
- The power of Sports and athletics to unite
- Community support, social engagement and entrepreneurship to raise people out of poverty, sickness and turmoil
There are a lot of dividers, but there are a few things I think we can all agree on that can build this world into a better place.
Humanity is in a race with itself to either self-destruct or save itself through technology. I want to believe we'll reach the latter, but so many people in positions of power seem content with self-destruction as long as they're personally comfortable
Humanity is in a race with itself to either self-destruct or save itself through technology.
Self destruction through technology! Bring on Skynet!
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Climate change is a media grift? Somehow I doubt its that much of a money maker. I mean outside of the Al Gore movies (which I doubt were really giant money makers) - what media of climate change has made a bunch of money?
Climate change stories are very popular and are constantly mixing into the news cycle.
It's also a very successful tax grift. France's carbon tax ended up covering a tax break for the rich and was an of the instigating forces in the yellow vest protests.
Oddly enough, global cooling is far more disastrous than global warming, it is believed that there was a period of cooling that led to the Black Plague
Climate change stories are very popular and are constantly mixing into the news cycle.
It's also a very successful tax grift. France's carbon tax ended up covering a tax break for the rich and was an of the instigating forces in the yellow vest protests.
Oddly enough, global cooling is far more disastrous than global warming, it is believed that there was a period of cooling that led to the Black Plague
Good news is we have a solution to global cooling should it become an issue.
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Climate change stories are very popular and are constantly mixing into the news cycle.
It's also a very successful tax grift. France's carbon tax ended up covering a tax break for the rich and was an of the instigating forces in the yellow vest protests.
Oddly enough, global cooling is far more disastrous than global warming, it is believed that there was a period of cooling that led to the Black Plague
Have a link to that? Maybe I'm wrong but I seem to remember the Plague was likely was caused by a warmer and wetter central Asia which allowed the pestis bacteria to breed and spread thru Europe a number of years later.
Unless we get a full blown ice age I see no metric where global cooling can be more disastrous than the record breaking storms, crazy wildfires, ocean level rises, fresh water shortages and deadly heat waves caused by warming.
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