Matthew Tkachuk & Johnny Gaudreau Signing Watch Thread

[madmike]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I also wondered about Markstrom

If Gaudreau does leave it could have a domino effect on the roster. And if Tkachuk won’t sign long-term, good luck attracting anyone to Calgary. Treliving put himself in this situation though. He’s going to have to live with it.

It’s bad timing for the franchise. They could be looking for a new arena deal with a really bad team and declining attendance.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by devo22

for sure. My fear is rather whether the Flames would ever entertain moving those assets instead of going for it without Gaudreau and Tkachuk.

Well, there comes a point in time when a team no longer really has much of a choice.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Yes, but that is what you want in a rebuild, no?

Yeah.

Wild times for a Flames fan. My first hope remains Johnny and Chucky stay for 8 years…but if Johnny leaves and players want out because of that? That’s kind of it for this era, I feel. Having Marky want to leave would make sense - as it would for any of our recent UFA signings.

On the positive side - I think our GM and scouts could do a pretty good job building from scratch…if allowed.

[Roof-Daddy]

I'm still ridiculously intrigued/curious about the rumor of players wanting out if Johnny walks.

If it's the right players it could really spark an effective rebuild/retool that the Flames might not have been wiling to do otherwise.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Toonage

It is. Just hard to imagine this last year of Sutter with him coaching a skeleton crew, launching a rebuild. Yet it could well come down to that.

I think the chances of a "skeleton crew" for this season are very slim. It seems a good bet to me that Sutter will have the team playing competitive, and that they will likely be back in the playoffs next Spring.

[Swayze11]

Originally Posted by bigrangy

I’m confident that if Gaudreau leaves it won’t be a money issue. If he’s gone it’s because he wants to play somewhere else. And this decision was probably already made if it’s the way it’s going to happen.

This is my thinking as well. The AAV is irrelevant. Does it help? Absolutely

If he does leave I wouldn't be surprised at all to see an extremely reasonable contract like 9X7 or something from Philly.

CP would explode and demand Tree be fired because he didn't offer more - I am almost certain he did but Johnny wanted to go home.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I think the chances of a "skeleton crew" for this season are very slim. It seems a good bet to me that Sutter will have the team playing competitive, and that they will likely be back in the playoffs next Spring.

Even if they face an exodus of players such as Markstrom?

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

I think the fear is the franchise has proven time and again it’s unwillingness to commit to a scorched earth rebuild, hanging on to tradeable assets long past their sell-high date. Maybe that would change with speculation now that many would want out if Johnny elects to move on but who knows. Personally just hoping this isn’t the end of what was probably the most enjoyable brand of Flames hockey I’ve seen in my life as a flames fan. To only get one season of a team like that would be beyond demoralizing lol.

"Time and again"? This has happened once in the past 20 years with the Iginla core.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Even if they face an exodus of players such as Markstrom?

It won't happen this summer.

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

The amount of ass talking is higher when we stray away from talking about hockey into speculating about injuries and the correct medical treatment of them.

It's also ass talking to assert that the correct decisions in interest of Monahan's long-term health were all made. At least with Monahan's situation we know that he played extensively through periods of injury causing significant pain. We also know that in the NHL it has not been uncommon for teams to prioritize a player's immediate on-ice contributions over their long-term health. The most that can be said about how those decisions were made is "we don't know". That hardly justifies someone being doubtful of the quality of decisions based the outcomes as being in a fantasy land or idiotic.

[madmike]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I'm still ridiculously intrigued/curious about the rumor of players wanting out if Johnny walks.

If it's the right players it could really spark an effective rebuild/retool that the Flames might not have been wiling to do otherwise.

I don’t know that anyone has said they wanted out. I just think the reality of the situation is that if Johnny leaves and Tkachuk has to be dealt because he won’t stay long-term, very few players are going to want to stay on a team that isn’t competitive. I’m not sure they’d demand trades, but I can’t see a lot of veteran players wanting to stay once their contracts are up.

Without Johnny and Tkachuk and the Lucic and Monahan contracts expiring next year, the Flames could actually struggle to hit the cap floor, as crazy as it sounds.

[Northendzone]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Even if they face an exodus of players such as Markstrom?

are you thinking that markstrom might request a trade if the flames lose johnny and then tkachuk asks for a trade?

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by JohnnyB

It's also ass talking to assert that the correct decisions in interest of Monahan's long-term health were all made.

I didn't assert that. I've not commented at all on whether they were or were not because I don't care to speculate on medical treatment of players.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Not really. Even the biggest endorsements for NHL players are fairly small.




Gaudreau was not "underpaid" on his last deal. He signed for very close to market value for a player of his calibre and with the results he had collected. One might say he put performed his deal, but that has mostly to do with cap inflation than anything else.


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Locking in a few sponsorships can still easily net a player $4-5M annually. That's reserved for the tier 1 NHL players, and falls off pretty fast if you're not Crosby, MacKinnon, McDavid, etc. Not NBA/NFL worthy but not nothing, either.

And yes, long term deals are a two-way street, especially pre UFA years, and no one forces the player to sign it. But yes, vs. market, the last few years Johnny outperformed that contract without question.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Northendzone

are you thinking that markstrom might request a trade if the flames lose johnny and then tkachuk asks for a trade?

I speculated Coleman could want out, Jiri said he was wondering about Markstrom. I'm just what if-ing that scenario.

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

"Time and again"? This has happened once in the past 20 years with the Iginla core.

I guess I’m being a little disingenuous with the time and again aspect and it’s relation to ‘scorched earth rebuilds.’ Sorry for my doom and gloom Textcritic this is just a hard timeline for this team right now and admittedly the pessimistic side of me is winning out atm.

[PeteMoss]

Doomscrolling!

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Toonage

I speculated Coleman could want out, Jiri said he was wondering about Markstrom. I'm just what if-ing that scenario.

But I think we need to caveat this whole discussion as something that won't happen until the TD or the next off-season. It seems much more likely for players to see how things go, than to make a decision about this before the roster is even assembled.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Listened to Frank’s Daily face off show live a couple minutes ago talking about Johnny. He says the Flames are likely willing to go as high as 11M per on an 8 year deal so the speculation is the fact Johnny wants to go back east. They compared it to the Tavares situation in terms of how it is shaping up.

If the Flames are likely willing to go as high as $11m and are currently only offering $10m, then it would make sense that Gaudreau's side drags this out until the Flames offer $11m.

[OILFAN #81]

I'd be surprised if he didn't re-sign. Seems as though Calgary can offer him $10.5-11 M which is more than fair. If it is only a family thing, he doesn't owe the Flames anything but IMO he could have told them as such. Something like "I loved it here and am appreciative of everything but I will test the market because I want to be close to family". Leaving them with the unknown is a little awkward IMO.

He has a house in the Jersey area and has a golf tournament there every year and is hosting it on July 29th. If I was him I'd much rather want to be a Devil than Flyer. Like I said though, I'd be surprised if he didn't re-sign.