Matthew Tkachuk & Johnny Gaudreau Signing Watch Thread

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I'm having a brain fart. Who is this?

I'm guessing it's Monahan based off the cap hit

Which is silly because that contract was a steal until injuries derailed him

The poster knew that would be the counter argument so he hedged by saying he can't play defense haha

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I'm having a brain fart. Who is this?

I guess we are starting to #### on Sean Monahan again.

Because you know it's his fault his injuries turned him from a 30 goal, 60 point guy on average for the first 4 years of that contract to a guy that might be LTIR all season anyways.

Plus not sure why a contract signed 6 years ago is relevant to Gaudreau's negotiations today.

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

There’s actually no risk of peril, I’m just drinking a coffee.

Me too - And I've ignored the things that Lanny is talking about... Am I in peril and don't realize it? What is going to happen? ... In any case, I am on high alert for incoming peril.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

It was just me taking a shot at Monahan’s inability to be an effective 200 foot player, and the team not willing to trade him for “50 cents on the dollar” in previous off-seasons.

Until his injuries he was pretty good value for that contract.

I'm not sure the team was unwilling to trade him, they just couldn't find a trade that worked.

[devo22]

Monahans contract was really good value before injuries have Cheechoo'd him. No need to continuously #### on a player who's put his body on the line out there and whose career has been derailed by a series of injuries.

[c.t.ner]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

https://twitter.com/user/status/1546503494256889856

The Calgary Flames: totally okay with spending $5.25M on a 4th line LW, $6.375M on a centre who can’t play defence, and nearly $6M on their bottom pairing - but refusing to pay elite talent what they deserve.

I wasn't aware of this guy until this week (hasn't been on my radar), but I'm getting the sense he loves the doom and gloom.

Friedman's full conversation on the podcast was that he felt it was between Philly and Calgary, but Philly can't move the JVR contract to free up space to sign him. Most of his clip was about JVR's contract and personality, which leans into a lot of the underlying talk that Philly can't move contracts to free up space to sign Gaudreau.

If he signs with Calgary he's signing for nothing less than 10.5 per year. Calgary knows that and Gadureau knows that.

[Heavy Jack]

Wow Jonathan Cheechoo… can’t believe that guy scored 50; could you imagine prime Jumbo Joe with Iggy?!

[DJones]

Will Nault clearly doesn't have any more information than any of us do.

Like hes just quoting Friedman who hasn't really said anything new himself.

[mile]

https://www.espn.com/nhl/insider/ins...-evgeni-malkin

One of the more interesting developments at the draft was the abject optimism from Flames GM Brad Treliving that there was still a path to retaining Gaudreau, the franchise-level winger who could hit unrestricted free agency this week.

Immediately, there were those around the NHL who thought the comments could be face-saving -- one of those "we made our best effort" type of situations before Gaudreau leaves. But a few sources also felt that Gaudreau might not be finding the megadeals with the teams with which he'd hope to find them in free agency.

Theoretically, Calgary is getting stronger consideration as the hours tick down and the market under a flat cap takes shape. But as Treliving said, it's not a "slam dunk" he stays.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by VilleN

Me too - And I've ignored the things that Lanny is talking about... Am I in peril and don't realize it? What is going to happen? ... In any case, I am on high alert for incoming peril.

Seravelli is reporting that death is on the table. But Friedman is saying death hasn’t even been discussed among the peril negotiations.

Who to believe, who to believe. Best to stay inside today regardless.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Until his injuries he was pretty good value for that contract.

I'm not sure the team was unwilling to trade him, they just couldn't find a trade that worked.

It sounds like they’ve spent the last two off-seasons looking to move him but didn’t find the correct value so the Flames kept him as they believed in the player. Mony was good value for sure as scoring is important, but his game never rounded out the way we needed it to - he’s never been good enough defensively.

The injuries that have sidelined him are an unfortunate turn, but there were definite issues with Mony’s game prior to the injuries (and I’m guess that’s why the team was rumoured to be talking trade in regards to him). I believe it was Boomer who had Monahan as being part of the return for Josh Anderson but CBJ chose Montreal’s offer.

[BlindMilwaukee]

Originally Posted by c.t.ner

I wasn't aware of this guy until this week (hasn't been on my radar), but I'm getting the sense he loves the doom and gloom.

Can confirm, Nault lives for doom and gloom.

[JohnnyB]

Just a look back on the approach of an already cup-winning generational talent that put team first and went on to win two more cups and cement a hall of fame legacy.

Sidney Crosby signs 12-year, $104.4M US extension

While the $104.4-million US, 12-year contract extension he agreed to on Thursday is clearly a massive haul, the NHL's most recognizable player could certainly have fetched more. Consider that the new deal will carry the exact same $8.7-million annual cap hit as his current one.

"He just came back after he talked to Pat, near the end here, and just said 'This [salary] is really what I want to help out with the team,'" Shero said on a conference call. "We certainly appreciate and ownership appreciates that. It's very beneficial and says a lot about Crosby."

Crosby could have asked for the league maximum of roughly $14 million per season, but instead decided to remain the NHL's second-highest paid player.

However, by signing for less than market value, he left the Penguins in a good position to make a strong pitch for Zach Parise and Ryan Suter when free agency opens on Sunday.

"We'll be making phone calls," said Shero. "A lot of other teams will be [too]."

In the end, if Johnny either just wants to be close to home or just wants a big payout, I'll be disappointed. He's entitled to have his own priorities and I wouldn't hold that against him, but either way it would indicate his priorities aren't really aligned with the team, so it's not a fit.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Yeah, how dare we point out salary inefficiencies on a team we love when we can look at recent Stanley Cup champions and see how well they manage the salary cap. Madness I say!



All we have to talk about right now is what the insiders are tweeting.

Yeah, but these are drive-bys without context. Sean Monahan's contract? Seriously? It's already six-years old, and at the time it was signed it was well within market range for a player of his calibre, and he provided several years of excellent results through its duration. It is idiotic to complain about that now, as if the Flames had some control over how his body would fare.

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[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by VilleN

Me too - And I've ignored the things that Lanny is talking about... Am I in peril and don't realize it? What is going to happen? ... In any case, I am on high alert for incoming peril.

Is the peril too perilous?

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by Poe969

I'm not crazy about signing Johnny to a 10+ mill per deal. The whole team makeup changes with a deal like that, I'm not saying he isn't worth it but is it right for the team right now?

Some are going to say that the team is very close and they just need a little more time or something but having a career year on a contract year always kind of scares me. Is this the new norm? Is that line going to always be like this? If they pay their top 2 wingers 10+ will they be able to afford to build a team around them? If something happens and they have to trade him, will his contract be moveable?

To me it's not as simple as "he's our best player so pay him whatever he wants" weather he's worth it or not, I think that's why a deal hasn't been made yet. But that's just me.

I don't see him regressing from a dominant player who puts up 80-100 points per season for a while.

If the team doesn't get over the hump and you need to trade him, I don't think there will be any problem doing so and you'd get a great return.
Losing him for nothing now is worst case possible.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I was just looking for clarification as your original post was confusing.
I'm actually not to fussed about it either way. Just fascinated to see what happens next.

I was skeptical until Fitzgerald said they were close to moving the pick right up until the selection. Yes, it is fascinating to watch all of this unfold. Much of it predictable.

[Steve Bozek]

Originally Posted by VilleN

Me too - And I've ignored the things that Lanny is talking about... Am I in peril and don't realize it? What is going to happen? ... In any case, I am on high alert for incoming peril.

Ah, but who knows what perils lurk in a cup of coffee?

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Yeah, but these are drive-bys without context. Sean Monahan's contract? Seriously? It's already six-years old, and at the time it was signed it was well within market range for a player of his calibre, and he provided several years of excellent results through its duration. It is idiotic to complain about that now, as if the Flames had some control over how his body would fare.

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I agree with you, but this point about his health may be debatable given how he seemed to be allowed to keep playing for ages when apparently in pretty bad shape. Monahan of 2022 may not have been Monahan of 2022 had he been forced to take the time on IR and medical attention earlier on.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

There’s actually no risk of peril, I’m just drinking a coffee.

What about your keyboard?