Matthew Tkachuk & Johnny Gaudreau Signing Watch Thread

[devo22]

it really doesn't matter what happens, "Treliving should be fired immediately" is a staple for some people here anyway. Tiresome.

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

If Johnny was a true Flyers fan, he wouldn’t be too excited about the Devils.

If the report that they are negotiating is true, Treliving should be fired immediately if he lose Johnny for a few dollars

There are some bad takes in this thread, but are you saying you’re upset they are negotiating? That’s pretty ridiculous.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by IamNotKenKing

There are some bad takes in this thread, but are you saying you’re upset they are negotiating? That’s pretty ridiculous.

That’s not what I am saying but whatever you people are upset if anyone say anything bad about Treliving anyway.

Imagine his plan without Johnny

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

That’s not what I am saying but whatever you people are upset if anyone say anything bad about Treliving anyway.

Imagine his plan without Johnny

That’s completely different.
But your premise is based upon the fact that they’re negotiating.
Of course they are. Anything else is nonsense.

Hypothetical:
What if Johnny says 12, and they don’t negotiate like you say, and because of that they lose Chucky.
Would it be better to not negotiate, or try to get him down a bit to get Chucky too?

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by IamNotKenKing

That’s completely different.
But your premise is based upon the fact that they’re negotiating.
Of course they are. Anything else is nonsense.

Hypothetical:
What if Johnny says 12, and they don’t negotiate like you say, and because of that they lose Chucky.
Would it be better to not negotiate, or try to get him down a bit to get Chucky too?

Negotiate to win. Nobody said don’t negotiate. I know Johnny has the upper hand now but Treliving put himself in that situation

No, they can’t lose Tkachuk because of Johnny.
If they do, that’s because he put himself in that position because of bad decisions somewhere else on the roster. He could have also traded Tkachuk for 2nd 0A plus.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Negotiate to win. Nobody said don’t negotiate. I know Johnny has the upper hand now but Treliving put himself in that situation

No, they can’t lose Tkachuk because of Johnny.
If they do, that’s because he put himself in that position because of bad decisions somewhere else on the roster. He could have also traded Tkachuk for 2nd 0A plus.

People always assume a trade is out there. But a Tkachuk trade is just neg rights for a headache negotiation.

[devo22]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

He could have also traded Tkachuk for 2nd 0A plus.

that's just speculation. None of knows which kind of deals could have possibly been out there, and just because there were rumours out there that the Devils might shop the pick, we don't know if there could have been a deal for Tkachuk and what the framework would have looked like. Stating "he could have traded him for X" is just baseless speculation to make Treliving look bad.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by bax

Agree on Philly, they are a train wreck, but the Devils actually have a bright future. Even last year they would have been much better if they just had average goaltending.

Hughes, Hughes, Hischier, Bratt, Holtz, Hamilton, Nemec, Gaudreau would be a pretty great core group to build around

I watched them a few games last year and can't really agree. There is so much wrong with them, not just goaltending although it would help. It's not easy to finish where they did in the standings. Hughes and Hichier are in that second tier of centers for me, Hughes has the upside to be in the first but isn't there yet, he is very much an incomplete player at this point. Hamilton is a stud but heir defense as a whole is also below average and the extra pieces you listed are something that every team has. Mercer does look good though.



Now Gaudreau would make them a playoff team if they get good goaltending but how many good goalies are out there? I'm not sure anyone available would look good behind that defense and if they did I still don't see them close to contending, playoff bubble team at best.

[bax]

Originally Posted by Saqe

I watched them a few games last year and can't really agree. There is so much wrong with them, not just goaltending although it would help. It's not easy to finish where they did in the standings. Hughes and Hichier are in that second tier of centers for me, Hughes has the upside to be in the first but isn't there yet, he is very much an incomplete player at this point. Hamilton is a stud but heir defense as a whole is also below average and the extra pieces you listed are something that every team has. Mercer does look good though.



Now Gaudreau would make them a playoff team if they get good goaltending but how many good goalies are out there? I'm not sure anyone available would look good behind that defense and if they did I still don't see them close to contending, playoff bubble team at best.

Agree to disagree, I actually live in Jersey so I also see them play a lot.

Hughes, Nemec, and Holtz haven’t even played in the NHL yet so no doubt they are still a few years away, but the potential is huge. Not every team has pieces like this. They are some of the best prospects in hockey.

I didn’t think much of Jack Hughes at first, but after watching him last season he made me a believer. I think he will show he’s a top 10 center soon. Maybe even as early as this season.

Their defense does need some work, but with Hughes and Nemec coming help is on the way.

Even with their roster last season all of their underlying metrics were strong, they just had some injury issue and bottom of the barrel goaltending.

Still a few years away, but they are on the rise. In a much much better place than Philly that’s for sure.

[Vinny01]

From scanning Twitter it seems that Flyer, Devil, and Islander fans are all convinced they are getting Johnny

We are really entering the crunch time now. 3 days left to get a deal in Calgary

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Negotiate to win. Nobody said don’t negotiate. I know Johnny has the upper hand now but Treliving put himself in that situation

No, they can’t lose Tkachuk because of Johnny.
If they do, that’s because he put himself in that position because of bad decisions somewhere else on the roster. He could have also traded Tkachuk for 2nd 0A plus.

What does “negotiate to win” even mean?
Negotiate to win the negotiation, or to win hockey games? Of course the latter is the goal. That’s why they negotiate.

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

From scanning Twitter it seems that Flyer, Devil, and Islander fans are all convinced they are getting Johnny

We are really entering the crunch time now. 3 days left to get a deal in Calgary

Gonna be great when they’re all wrong and he re-signs in Calgary.

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

If Johnny was a true Flyers fan, he wouldn’t be too excited about the Devils.

If the report that they are negotiating is true, Treliving should be fired immediately if he lose Johnny for a few dollars

Lol it’s also possible that Tre could negotiate a good deal, and both sides are happy about it, don’t want to imagine that though do you?

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by flamesgod

Gonna be great when they’re all wrong and he re-signs in Calgary.

I am still cautiously optimistic it will happen but feels like a Tuesday deal taking it right to the wire.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by devo22

it really doesn't matter what happens, "Treliving should be fired immediately" is a staple for some people here anyway. Tiresome.

I think it's totally fair for some fans not to like the GM. I personally don't care for him. I don't think he's the worst GM in the league but he's not a top GM and that's a problem when you are trying to win a Stanley Cup. Too much one step forward, one step back moves from him over the years as he's largely wasted the contending window of the core. I know he's not going to go anywhere so I don't see a point for calling for his head but if he was fired I think it would be a good thing for the organization.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Negotiate to win. Nobody said don’t negotiate. I know Johnny has the upper hand now but Treliving put himself in that situation

No, they can’t lose Tkachuk because of Johnny.
If they do, that’s because he put himself in that position because of bad decisions somewhere else on the roster. He could have also traded Tkachuk for 2nd 0A plus.

How TF do you know? Also, probably only a signed Tkachuk if at all...so you tell him to negotiate with the Devil's because you want to trade him? What could go wrong?

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I think it's totally fair for some fans not to like the GM. I personally don't care for him. I don't think he's the worst GM in the league but he's not a top GM and that's a problem when you are trying to win a Stanley Cup. Too much one step forward, one step back moves from him over the years as he's largely wasted the contending window of the core. I know he's not going to go anywhere so I don't see a point for calling for his head but if he was fired I think it would be a good thing for the organization.

Calling for the GM to be fired after the season they had is pretty stupid...also, who would replace him? Have to consider the market too... Calgary is one of the hardest markets to attract players. He had amazing Stone and Kadri deals in the bag if not for geography.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Calling for the GM to be fired after the season they had is pretty stupid...also, who would replace him? Have to consider the market too... Calgary is one of the hardest markets to attract players. He had amazing Stone and Kadri deals in the bag if not for geography.

Didn't I just say calling for his head was pointless? Sheesh.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Didn't I just say calling for his head was pointless? Sheesh.

You said him being fired would be good for the organization. Like who the heck would come here... especially after firing a division winning GM. Wasn't Brad top 5 in GM of the year voting.

Brad would have another NHL job in about 5 seconds.

Come on guy you said it was pointless well making a post about it being a good thing

[devo22]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I think it's totally fair for some fans not to like the GM. I personally don't care for him. I don't think he's the worst GM in the league but he's not a top GM and that's a problem when you are trying to win a Stanley Cup. Too much one step forward, one step back moves from him over the years as he's largely wasted the contending window of the core. I know he's not going to go anywhere so I don't see a point for calling for his head but if he was fired I think it would be a good thing for the organization.

to be clear, I don't care all that much for Treliving either. I think there's better GMs in the league, but certainly worse ones too. He's had a few stinkers, but he's also signed, drafted or traded for most of the current core that just had an outstanding regular season. If they replaced him tomorrow, I don't think I'd lose too much sleep, mainly because he's been here for over 8 years and I wouldn't mind some fresh air.

what I called out is that some people on here seem to have that image in their head that, no matter what happens, it absolutely has to be Treliving's fault, and the narrative therefore has to be adjusted accordingly. And yeah, that's tiresome.