[LOL] Coyotes release their STH seating chart for their 5000 person arena

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by kaddy

Almost sold out with 5000? I'm not sure that's something to be happy about.

they reportedly averaged 11k last season, which is probably inflated. A good portion of those tickets were probably free or minimal cost. So even if they sold out the 5k arena, you are at least getting full value. Revenue from tickets will probably be more with their 5k setup.

[PegCityFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by Jordan!

People from Scottsdale, Chandler, Gilbert and Mesa can finally go to games. Duh!

Can and will are two very different things.

[Jordan!]

Originally Posted by PegCityFlamesFan

Can and will are two very different things.

The Jets can sign top free agents, but will they? or any free agents period? We all know they had to pull their only option for Head Coach from the retirement line

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Jordan!

First it was, oh ticket prices are too high they'll never sell to

Oh wow, 5000 seats - big deal..

Deranged.

Why do you defend this clown show so vociferously? It is a clown show no matter how you slice it.

[Jordan!]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Why do you defend this clown show so vociferously? It is a clown show no matter how you slice it.

I defend what needs to be defended and agree with most that don't need to be defended.

Some people truly have NO clue about demographics of this location in regards to hockey fans, growth of the sport in this location and pretty much everything involved with Hockey in Arizona.

The Coyotes have:

-A Real owner
-An Excellent new arena location/plan
-An owner who heavily invested in the Scouting department for the first time in it's history

Why exactly is it a clown show as of this moment? Because they're playing out of a temporary arena?? GTFO

[Enoch Root]

It's not just that they're playing out of a temporary arena, it's that they're playing out of a temporary (non-NHL) arena because they wouldn't pay the rent at the last arena.

That alone makes them a clown show. And it isn't the only reason.

It's great that you support them. And I wish there were more supporters around. But you don't have to try and defend every single comment made about the team.

[PepsiFree]

Only a Coyotes fan would think an NHL team moving into a "temporary" 5000-seat college arena w/o even capable dressing rooms while they're still waiting for their new arena proposal to be approved, let alone built, is anything but pure clown show.

The Calgary Hitmen are closer to an NHL team than the Arizona Coyotes at this point. lol.

[powderjunkie]

When your temporary partner has to go to great lengths to assure their stakeholders that rent cheques will be received up front, you are a clown show.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Jordan!

I defend what needs to be defended and agree with most that don't need to be defended.

Some people truly have NO clue about demographics of this location in regards to hockey fans, growth of the sport in this location and pretty much everything involved with Hockey in Arizona.

The Coyotes have:

-A Real owner
-An Excellent new arena location/plan
-An owner who heavily invested in the Scouting department for the first time in it's history

Why exactly is it a clown show as of this moment? Because they're playing out of a temporary arena?? GTFO

Certainly when I think of the best run organizations in the NHL, ARI is right up there with PIT, WSH, NYR, etc.

[TheScorpion]

I consider myself a Coyotes fan, I'm excited to see a couple games at ASU, and I think they have a really exciting prospect pool, but you're kidding yourself if you think this is anything resembling an ideal scenario. Hopefully the Tempe arena can get approved and built really quickly but I think the Coyotes should consider themselves really lucky that the league approved their temporary relocation.

[Robbob]

I figure the Coyotes would be what a franchise what look like if ran by fans. Constant rebuilds and all the picks. That said, I do think that Armstrong is starting to build a strong prospect base, and you can tell they are all in for the 2023 draft.

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by PegCityFlamesFan

Can and will are two very different things.

I WILL go to more games in Tempe because the drive is 1/5 as long, no traffic and I even have the option of taking the LRT if I want to get blackout drunk.

It almost halves the time commitment to go to a game for my family.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by PegCityFlamesFan

Can and will are two very different things.

They will.

[Jordan!]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

It's not just that they're playing out of a temporary arena, it's that they're playing out of a temporary (non-NHL) arena because they wouldn't pay the rent at the last arena.

That alone makes them a clown show. And it isn't the only reason.

It's great that you support them. And I wish there were more supporters around. But you don't have to try and defend every single comment made about the team.

If you think that they're not playing out of Glendale over missed rent, then you're a lost cause in this discussion.

[timun]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Only a Coyotes fan would think an NHL team moving into a "temporary" 5000-seat college arena w/o even capable dressing rooms while they're still waiting for their new arena proposal to be approved, let alone built, is anything but pure clown show.

The Calgary Hitmen are closer to an NHL team than the Arizona Coyotes at this point. lol.

I mean... in 1980 the Flames moved into a 6,500-seat minor-league arena, still waiting for their new arena proposal to be approved, let alone built...

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I consider myself a Coyotes fan, I'm excited to see a couple games at ASU, and I think they have a really exciting prospect pool, but you're kidding yourself if you think this is anything resembling an ideal scenario. Hopefully the Tempe arena can get approved and built really quickly but I think the Coyotes should consider themselves really lucky that the league approved their temporary relocation.

It was an Arizona special in terms of helping them out that's for sure. Imagine if the Flames said they'd play in the Centrium in Red Deer (7k seats) for 3-5 years while an arena deal is finalized and then built?

You think the league steps in and okays that?

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by timun

I mean... in 1980 the Flames moved into a 6,500-seat minor-league arena, still waiting for their new arena proposal to be approved, let alone built...

No, not comparable. You can't go back the 80's. I mean many teams in the league were playing in 11-13k arenas back then. So the direct comparison would be a team playing in a 14-15k arena while everyone else plays in 18-21k.

The Islanders just finished playing in an 11k (actual viable seats) at Barclay and the revamped Nassau Coliseum (13k). Winnipeg plays in a 15k arena permanently.

Maple Leaf gardens was 12k capacity for perspective.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by jayswin

It was an Arizona special in terms of helping them out that's for sure. Imagine if the Flames said they'd play in the Centrium in Red Deer (7k seats) for 3-5 years while an arena deal is finalized and then built?

You think the league steps in and okays that?

Poor comparison. The ASU Arena is not 90 miles from Phoenix.

If the Saddledome had collapsed before the Corral was demolished, you may be quite sure the league would have allowed the Flames to play temporarily in the Corral again rather than force the franchise to relocate. No doubt they'd have required massive renovations to bring the place up to code, just as the Coyotes are apparently putting a lot of money into ASU to meet league standards for issues other than seating capacity.

Originally Posted by jayswin

No, not comparable. You can't go back the 80's. I mean many teams in the league were playing in 11-13k arenas back then. So the direct comparison would be a team playing in a 14-15k arena while everyone else plays in 18-21k.

The Islanders just finished playing in an 11k (actual viable seats) at Barclay and the revamped Nassau Coliseum (13k). Winnipeg plays in a 15k arena permanently.

So the Islanders were approved to move into an 11,000-seat venue which was supposed to be permanent, and Winnipeg is playing in a 15,000-seat venue that actually is permanent… but you can't compare with the 1980s because there are no arenas that small now? Oooookay.

Maple Leaf gardens was 12k capacity for perspective.

When first built, yes. After several renovations, capacity topped out at 16,316. It was still at that number when the Flames moved to Calgary.

Joe Louis Arena was the biggest in the NHL in 1980, with 19,275 seats. It would still be one of the biggest.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Jordan!

I defend what needs to be defended and agree with most that don't need to be defended.

Some people truly have NO clue about demographics of this location in regards to hockey fans, growth of the sport in this location and pretty much everything involved with Hockey in Arizona.

The Coyotes have:

-A Real owner
-An Excellent new arena location/plan
-An owner who heavily invested in the Scouting department for the first time in it's history

Why exactly is it a clown show as of this moment? Because they're playing out of a temporary arena?? GTFO

This is the same club that stopped paying their taxes though right? And then claimed it was human error?

I want to see the Coyotes survive but this owner and their management team still have to prove they are worthy of your praise IMO. Let’s see if they actually stand behind their public promises to pay for the majority of the new arena development. And if this latest sell off of assets to rebuild actually results in a quality NHL team.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Poor comparison. The ASU Arena is not 90 miles from Phoenix.

If the Saddledome had collapsed before the Corral was demolished, you may be quite sure the league would have allowed the Flames to play temporarily in the Corral again rather than force the franchise to relocate. No doubt they'd have required massive renovations to bring the place up to code, just as the Coyotes are apparently putting a lot of money into ASU to meet league standards for issues other than seating capacity.



So the Islanders were approved to move into an 11,000-seat venue which was supposed to be permanent, and Winnipeg is playing in a 15,000-seat venue that actually is permanent… but you can't compare with the 1980s because there are no arenas that small now? Oooookay.



When first built, yes. After several renovations, capacity topped out at 16,316. It was still at that number when the Flames moved to Calgary.

Joe Louis Arena was the biggest in the NHL in 1980, with 19,275 seats. It would still be one of the biggest.

I'm far too drunk for all of your rebuttals, so I concede.