Matthew Tkachuk & Johnny Gaudreau Signing Watch Thread

[Ferarri]

I'm still hopeful that a counter offer was submitted (based on one of the posters inside knowledge). However, the longer this goes I being to lose confidence with the authenticity of the rumour.

[Flamesfan05]

Look like we are skipping the exciting weekend to wait for Johnny

Thanks Johnny!!!!

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

I don't expect them to blow personal money...unless it's in the areana as I do expect their cooperation to put in significantly on that.

Well they already to the blow their own money on the team, the Flames are not a profitable entity for them. Any decision that would for sure lead to a hit for multiple years on attendance would exacerbate that situation further.

Our owners have spent to the cap. We are a small Canadian market. We should be happy with the commitment we are getting when it comes to the running of this club.

[really?]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Look like we are skipping the exciting weekend to wait for Johnny

Thanks Johnny!!!!

I don't see blaming the player. He has to look out for his interests. If the Flames are handcuffed it is because they allowed this to happen.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by really?

I don't see blaming the player. He has to look out for his interests. If the Flames are handcuffed it is because they allowed this to happen.

Yeah

[Sec214]

I mean I don’t think Tre is sitting there waiting for Johnny to call, I think he’s put his best offer in. It’s on Johnny and I also think he’s got a lot lined up if Johnny tells him he’s staying or going.

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

No we are blaming Edwards for the predicament the organization is in. If things go bad Treliving is going to take all the heat but it really should be directed to Edwards.

What did I miss?

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

Well they already to the blow their own money on the team, the Flames are not a profitable entity for them.

Hear this pretty frequently from them. They should sell if that's the case, I am positive there are business people in the city who could make this into a profitable franchise.

[GKDarts]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Look like we are skipping the exciting weekend to wait for Johnny

Thanks Johnny!!!!

Blaming the wrong guy. Johnny's done nothing wrong. The organization didn't use the leverage it had when it should have. Johnny is rightly looking out for himself and maximizing his opportunity.

Blame Tre/ownership they made their own mess.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Hear this pretty frequently from them. They should sell if that's the case, I am positive there are business people in the city who could make this into a profitable franchise.

I think you don't understand the math if you believe that.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by GKDarts

Blaming the wrong guy. Johnny's done nothing wrong. The organization didn't use the leverage it had when it should have. Johnny is rightly looking out for himself and maximizing his opportunity.

Blame Tre/ownership they made their own mess.

If the Flames wanted to keep Johnny, a player who may want to stay but may also be fine going closer to home, they never had leverage.

[powderjunkie]

1. There is no actual evidence that it's true, but if keeping Gaudreau is contingent on keeping Tkachuk then this team is handcuffed for a season or two (I don't think you should go into '24 with five important pending UFAs)

2.The sustainability of this build remains a massive question mark. Getting a high upside centre on ELC would have solved a ton of immediate and long term problems. Obviously we have no idea how that player would pan out...but most of us aren't totally confident in what we'll be getting from 13 and/or 19 over the next 1-8 years, either...

Originally Posted by dino7c

Flames were one of the best teams in the NHL last season not scratching and clawing for a playoff round.

2 division titles the last 2 full NHL seasons

Honest question - what is the relevance of the bolded? Were they going to shoot to the top of the division if they just had another 12-26 games to figure it out in the other seasons?

[Poe969]

They had thr option to trade him before it got to this point.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Treliving doesn't have control of the schedule is a mean spirited personal attack?

Maybe take a little ownership for suggesting something that can easily be debunked.

I never said you were mean spirited or doing personal attacks.

What are you going on about? Calm down.

I mentioned taking pokes then wished you a good day.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

I think you don't understand the math if you believe that.

The oilers are a profitable franchise in a city with less people. The math that the flames put out consistently makes no sense; it leaves out revenue sources and purposely paints the woe is me picture. I'm tired of listening to billionaires say they're getting a raw deal on the team: no one is forcing you to keep it. If it's such a lemon then get rid of it.

[Sofa GM]

I'm assuming that the trade and signing of DeAngelo by the Flyers takes them out of being able to do anything around Johnny without some real significant movements. Guessing at this point it would be NJ or Calgary.

[Dentoman]

You know the thread is reaching it's peak when Murray Edwards is brought into the conversation

[really?]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

If the Flames wanted to keep Johnny, a player who may want to stay but may also be fine going closer to home, they never had leverage.

They could have dealt him rather than face the barrel of this gun. Not an easy decision, but that was the leverage they had. They couldn't force or compel him to sign on their terms, but they did have control over an asset. That control has long since gone.

[GKDarts]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

If the Flames wanted to keep Johnny, a player who may want to stay but may also be fine going closer to home, they never had leverage.

They had ALL the leverage before Johnny's limited NTC kicked in, this past season.

As I said previously, Either prior to the '21 trade deadline or prior to the '21 draft at latest, The Flames should have put their best offer to Johnny. If he refused, you trade him and get assets back. If he takes it, great.

It's a colossal failure to find yourself in this situation. Not only with Johnny but an inability to do other business while this plays out.

[dustygoon]

Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

The sooner the Flames ownership moves away from the old boys club mentality the better it’ll be for the franchise

Ah. The old boys club. Damn those guys. Not sure who they are but if something isn't right? Blame them.