Matthew Tkachuk & Johnny Gaudreau Signing Watch Thread

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

Team is completely paralyzed as the rest of the league does business. Way to go BT.

Sometimes that’s a good thing, Some of the best trades and signings are the ones you don’t make

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

The devils will not be able to offer a 2n oa next year.

As long as they don't trade it to someone else, the Devils will be able to offer the 2OA pick any time after the draft too. It will just be the player instead of the pick. It being the pick only matters if the Flames would have chosen someone else.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by JohnnyB

As long as they don't trade it to someone else, the Devils will be able to offer the 2OA pick any time after the draft too. It will just be the player instead of the pick. It being the pick only matters if the Flames would have chosen someone else.

I guess that is true.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

Team is completely paralyzed as the rest of the league does business. Way to go BT.

Certainly a risky way of going about it but if week from now both players are signed are you coming back to say ‘way to go BT’

[flambers]

Originally Posted by robertsfanatic

what "business" is more important to the Flames than signing their best player(s)?

Obviously signing his two forwards are the key, however his team has lineup issues

Hopefully he is working on everything at the same time

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Certainly a risky way of going about it but if week from now both players are signed are you coming back to say ‘way to go BT’

Yes I have no problem admitting when I'm wrong. I have done it on here more than once.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Certainly a risky way of going about it but if week from now both players are signed are you coming back to say ‘way to go BT’

Will the Brad “Fricken” Treliving thread or the Treliving must go thread be bumped?

Stay tuned to find out

[Poe969]

If the devils are interested or not, they can't trade the 2nd OA pick. Flames could have had Wright or Cooley or whoever they wanted. They likely don't get a return that includes a high end talent that could be a building block for years to come.

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Certainly a risky way of going about it but if week from now both players are signed are you coming back to say ‘way to go BT’

Treliving may come out of this looking good if he gets them both on long-term, reasonable deals. Or, he could come out of this looking like an incompetent GM who bungled player management and screwed the team.

I've not always been a fan of Treliving, and he has put himself in a tough situation, but having seen his work since joining the Flames I'm not going to count him out until it's done. He has pulled together some great deals over the years. Maybe he has more magic in him.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Poe969

If the devils are interested or not, they can't trade the 2nd OA pick. Flames could have had Wright or Cooley or whoever they wanted. They likely don't get a return that includes a high end talent that could be a building block for years to come.

What if the Flames don’t think any of those players are good value for Tkachuk? What was also included? What names are other teams throwing out there in a Tkachuk deal?

[Poe969]

Originally Posted by JohnnyB

As long as they don't trade it to someone else, the Devils will be able to offer the 2OA pick any time after the draft too. It will just be the player instead of the pick. It being the pick only matters if the Flames would have chosen someone else.

The devils weren't offering "who the devils pick at #2" they were offering the Flames a hance to pick who they wanted at the #2 OA... a young cost controlled talented centre the team can build around.

To get a high end C you need to draft them. The Flames had a chance to get a top pick in the draft and didn't.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Matty81

Is there a team in the league that has practiced asset mgmt as badly as the flames? The last good team we basically had to pay Buffalo to take regegr, gave away iginla for a pile of beans and had kipper retire in house. There was no foresight at all. Watching this play out with gaudreau and tkachuk while they are even younger is painful.

I am staggered that we are 5 days from ufa and we're about to let our best player walk for nothing providing one of the biggest fish in the ufa pond in years.

I know it's painful to trade stars but something has to change with this franchise. Johnny should have been dealt a couple of years ago if he didn't want to be here long term.

Probably have to blame ownership for the incredibly poor asset management of top players over the years. I think their "must win" mandates for the most part paralyzes their GM's from being able to act like normal GM's that recoup assets for top players that are on their way out. I'm happy the Flames have stable ownership that pay all the bills but Edwards is his own worst enemy as the team will never win a cup under his ownership and it's all on him for never truly committing to doing the right things.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Probably have to blame ownership for the incredibly poor asset management of top players over the years. I think their "must win" mandates for the most part paralyzes their GM's from being able to act like normal GM's that recoup assets for top players that are on their way out.

Do we know this "mandate" is real? It seems like the owners are extremely smart business ppl. To put a mandate like this in place undermines a successful business plan. I am just not sure I believe ownership is putting the GM in a position of weakness.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

Do we know this "mandate" is real? It seems like the owners are extremely smart business ppl. To put a mandate like this in place undermines a successful business plan. I am just not sure I believe ownership is putting the GM in a position of weakness.

Yes we know it's real. It's been a pattern for decades regardless of who's GM. Edwards isn't the first successful businessman owner that runs his team in a totally different manner as he would his businesses.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Yes we know it's real. It's been a pattern for decades regardless of who's GM.

So we have a city that is not all that desirable to a lot of players...an old rink that is undesirable...and an ownership that cripples management decisions.

I am going to talk to my dad today about why he put this curse of being a flames fan in my blood lol

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Poe969

The devils weren't offering "who the devils pick at #2" they were offering the Flames a hance to pick who they wanted at the #2 OA... a young cost controlled talented centre the team can build around.

To get a high end C you need to draft them. The Flames had a chance to get a top pick in the draft and didn't.

If you’re talking about Shane Wright, three teams passed on him. Do we know the Flames would not have done the same? Evidently they didn’t think he, plus the other assets whatever they were, were worth Tkachuk.

Hard to say because we don’t know what the rest of the package was. But, based on what Chicago got for Debricat, it was probably another pick, or two. It was only a day ago, or so, people that it was going to be a package that included Mercer and/or Smith, Zacha, Bratt etc.

Bottom line, we don’t know what the offer was, or the extenuating circumstances, so why are we passing judgment?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Poe969

The devils weren't offering "who the devils pick at #2" they were offering the Flames a hance to pick who they wanted at the #2 OA... a young cost controlled talented centre the team can build around.

To get a high end C you need to draft them. The Flames had a chance to get a top pick in the draft and didn't.

They weren’t drafting a franchise C at 2OA, they were getting a guy who, if they’re lucky, turns out as good as Lindholm is… a player we traded for.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

Do we know this "mandate" is real? It seems like the owners are extremely smart business ppl. To put a mandate like this in place undermines a successful business plan. I am just not sure I believe ownership is putting the GM in a position of weakness.

I would say the following.

1. It is a consistent pattern regardless of the GM. The owners are the consistent variable
2. Being smart at business doesn't make them smart at running a hockey team. In fact at times they are at odds. Squeaking into the playoffs to get some home playoff dates maximizes revenue at the time of the year where costs are at the lowest.

[Poe969]

Because this is a message board and we're all in limbo waiting for the actual team to do something so we drive ourselves crazy saying what we would do and listening to what other people would do all while waiting to see what the team does so we can judge what the team does and drive ourselves even more crazy.

C.R.A.Z.Y.

[Jiri Hrdina]

I think others have nailed it. If you traded Tkachuk yesterday you basically are significantly lowering the chances of re-signing Johnny. They weren't going to do that at this stage.

That first domino needs to fall.