[Trade] 3 way: MTL gets Dach, NYI get Romanov + 98th OA, CHI get 13th OA + 66th OA

[CliffFletcher]

Good deal for the Isles. Fills a big need.

[CASe333]

Originally Posted by OptimalTates

Looking to build a contender and not be a middle of the pack team for 20 years.

Looking to build a contender by dealing away their best young prospects for 7OA and 13OA (+ in later round picks) in a weak draft doesn't seem to be smart at all. Debrincat already is proven with 41goals last year for 7OA is a weak trade. The Dach trade is better but not great haul either. If they had gotten more picks from next year maybe this makes more sense but they are trading a proven young scorer and good prospect for magic beans.

[OptimalTates]

We’ll see in 5 years if any of their 9 picks in the first three rounds this year, multiple firsts (likely near the very top) in the next two years pan out but better plan then building around DeBrincat with a bunch of mediocre prospects. They’re playing to win the Stanley Cup, not maybe make the playoffs in a year or two.

[kyuss275]

I’m really surprised that Kane and toews still want to stay in Chicago. I get they have their cups but what’s the motivation to come to rink every day?

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Originally Posted by kyuss275

I’m really surprised that Kane and toews still want to stay in Chicago. I get they have their cups but what’s the motivation to come to rink every day?

$ and zero expectations?

[djsFlames]

Love me a good 3 way.

[McG]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Love me a good 3 way.

Nice!

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by OptimalTates

Looking to build a contender and not be a middle of the pack team for 20 years.

Maybe one day the guys they draft through these deals will be as good as the players they dealt away. If they're lucky.

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

I’m really surprised that Kane and toews still want to stay in Chicago. I get they have their cups but what’s the motivation to come to rink every day?

I suspect if they are traded its at the deadline next year when players are worth more and futures are worth less.

[Braden]

NYI deals toews for peanuts then pays a 1st+ for romanov? Yikes

[mile]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1545222868832862220

[Roof-Daddy]

Yep, the Hawks have thrown their hat into the Bedard sweepstakes.

Hoping to out suck everyone and then get lucky and win the draft lottery.

They'll probably get a haul of 2023 picks for Kane and Toews as rentals.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by OptimalTates

Looking to build a contender and not be a middle of the pack team for 20 years.

Yup always a great strategy trading their 3rd overall pick from three years ago and their 24 year 40 goal scorer for a 7th and 13th pick in what’s seen as a soft draft.

A year after trading a former top pick in Boqvist (8th overall), 12th overall, 44th overall, and the pick that ended up being 6th overall this year for the honour of paying 27 year old Seth Jones $9.5M per year.

But yeah every team should replicate this asset management, it’s how you build a winner.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Yup always a great strategy trading their 3rd overall pick from three years ago and their 24 year 40 goal scorer for a 7th and 13th pick in what’s seen as a soft draft.

A year after trading a former top pick in Boqvist (8th overall), 12th overall, 44th overall, and the pick that ended up being 6th overall this year for the honour of paying 27 year old Seth Jones $9.5M per year.

But yeah every team should replicate this asset management, it’s how you build a winner.

In fairness, they've changed GMs since those moves so they've obviously changed gears and are going into a full rebuild.

Bowman tried retooling and it didn't work.

Hopefully this doesn't work either, but if they get lucky and land Bedard it might.

[cannon7]

Dach could be a Bennett situation, hasn't quite put things together, may blossom as a Hab.

[tvp2003]

Dammit Chicago, my fear is that this fire sale opens the door for Keith to retire; the recapture penalty is moot for them but it stupidly gives Edmonton extra cap space.

[CASe333]

Originally Posted by OptimalTates

We’ll see in 5 years if any of their 9 picks in the first three rounds this year, multiple firsts (likely near the very top) in the next two years pan out but better plan then building around DeBrincat with a bunch of mediocre prospects. They’re playing to win the Stanley Cup, not maybe make the playoffs in a year or two.

You have tunnel vision thinking its more important to suck than to get fair value for your best young players. There are other scenarios for example where Chicago signs DeBrincat and sells next trade deadline for better magic beans in 2023+. You are constantly implying that Chicago has increased their odds to draft Bedard next year with these trades but they have not. None of the draft picks they received have potential to be 1rst next year and although they've gutted their team they are still very competitive with the real sucks like the coyotes so its still the same lottery.

If they were actually getting good returns for 2023-2025 high draft picks then I'd understand the argument but they flipped good prospects for a high school prospect for example from this year. Just extremely bad asset management in my opinion.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

I suspect if they are traded its at the deadline next year when players are worth more and futures are worth less.

Yup, and it makes sense for Kane/Toews to stay in their comfortable homes for most of the season and then assess which contender fits best (who will also be better able to afford prorated AAVs)

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by CASe333

You have tunnel vision thinking its more important to suck than to get fair value for your best young players. There are other scenarios for example where Chicago signs DeBrincat and sells next trade deadline for better magic beans in 2023+. You are constantly implying that Chicago has increased their odds to draft Bedard next year with these trades but they have not. None of the draft picks they received have potential to be 1rst next year and although they've gutted their team they are still very competitive with the real sucks like the coyotes so its still the same lottery.

If they were actually getting good returns for 2023-2025 high draft picks then I'd understand the argument but they flipped good prospects for a high school prospect for example from this year. Just extremely bad asset management in my opinion.

Few GMs would be dumb enough to trade unprotected picks next year.

They have increased their odds by significantly increasing their odds of a bottom 3 finish next year. Other than ARI, who else is going into this season planning to suck?

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

They have increased their odds by significantly increasing their odds of a bottom 3 finish next year. Other than ARI, who else is going into this season planning to suck?

But there is only one Bedard, and no team has better than an 18.5% chance of drafting him. Gutting your team to bet on those odds is not a smart move.