Matthew Tkachuk & Johnny Gaudreau Signing Watch Thread

[Macman]

I’m still optimistic but if we lose one or both then what’s really the point anymore? Makes you wonder if a move of the team can’t be far behind especially with no new news on the new arena.

This is not good if you’re the owners.

[Racki]

Man, so much noise surrounding our Flames. This could be a very different looking team when we go back to work Monday morning.

[Moneyhands23]

This is by far my least favorite off season ever.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I'm not sure I agree with this.

The Flames have to submit their qualifying offer to Tkachuk by July 11. I don't think the Flames should do that because there is a very good chance he accepts the one year deal and it takes him straight to UFA.

IMO signing Tkachuk to his qualifying offer is the 2nd worst case scenario here - the worst case being they offer him no qualifying offer and he becomes a UFA. Obviously signing him to 1 year is better than nothing.

But the Flames need to know what they are doing with Tkachuk before July 11, which is before free agency opens on the 13th. Either sign him to a multi-year contract or trade him by July 11. Don't lose leverage again.

I don't think you meant to say that (in red) becuase of what you've said (in green).

[VilleN]

I still think we sign both. Gross likes to extract as much value as he can, and it seems like Treliving is the type to play chicken until the very end. All the reports that Gaudreau wants to be closer to home are just speculation - while they may be true, I think it is just an assumption that isn't based on anything factual. As for Tkachuk? Brady just signed long term in a small Canadian market, so I don't know why some people think Matthew wants to live in the US.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I don't think you meant to say that (in red) becuase of what you've said (in green).

No, I meant what I said. The Flames should avoid to scenario where they have to send him a QO. Sign or trade him before that deadline arrives.

[Icon]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

This is by far my least favorite off season ever.

My least favorites are the ones where we overpay for aging vets in free agency, and ice a similar lineup that didn't cut it the year prior. So as long as we don't do that I'll be happy.

I think a retool/rebuild is likely, and combining kicking that off between this summer and next summer is actually good timing when looking at a lot of the contracts (and next year's draft).

If between this year and next we lose Gaudreau & Tkachuk, we're not easily filling those holes in the roster through free agency or trade. The free agents available are downgrades, and we lack the picks & prospects to land someone with a trade. So if they both leave the writing should be on the wall as far as what to do.

I guess whether that's an appealing offseason(s) to someone is up for debate, but at least it isn't boring!

[devo22]

it's the uncertainty that kills me. If we can keep them, that's awesome. If we can't, well, at least we can move on. But this suspense would be brutal for just one franchise player, let alone two of them. I just want it resolved either way.

[Flames_F.T.W]

I can't handle the uncertainty either. I need answers!

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

No, I meant what I said. The Flames should avoid to scenario where they have to send him a QO. Sign or trade him before that deadline arrives.

And if they can't sign him (for whatever reason), and have difficulty trading him (likely due to him not agreeing to a contract with the new team), what then?

The only option then is to accept whatever a team will give you for a for a one year rental of Tkachuk when you backs are against the wall.

Bad trades are made in desperate times when a team feels compelled to ship someone out by a set deadline.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Macman

I’m still optimistic but if we lose one or both then what’s really the point anymore? Makes you wonder if a move of the team can’t be far behind especially with no new news on the new arena.

This is not good if you’re the owners.

Flames are a revenue generating team, I would be a bit surprised if they weren’t in the top 10, or at least just outside of it. The BOG would have to agree to a relocation, which they wouldn’t. Calgary has been a very strong market. For as long as the Coyotes, Hurricanes, Panthers, Anaheim, and a host of other teams in the league are staying put, there is no reason for concern. The new arena will get built, the City and the Flames can agree on that.

I think the discussion this morning is likely a lot of click generating discourse leading up to one of, if not the most, intriguing day of the year related to player movement. Every fan base right now is probably in some form of a tizzy about what could be. Whether it turns out to be quiet or team shifting today for the Flames, I would just enjoy it. If the Flames are forced into going in a bold new direction, bring it on!

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by Macman

I’m still optimistic but if we lose one or both then what’s really the point anymore? Makes you wonder if a move of the team can’t be far behind especially with no new news on the new arena.

This is not good if you’re the owners.

After that, what's the point of having a city? Might as well merge with Edmonton, throw the whole thing out. Then you'd have to think without Calgary, does Alberta even make sense? Probably sell the province to Elon Musk for his next Gigafactory; at which point you might as well split Canada into two distinct countries, thereby eliminating hockey as the national sport (I know it's Lacrosse, but hear me out) and as such you'd expect a loss of interest in the sport as a whole in both Canada West and Toronto etc. (two new countries), which would naturally be followed by the implosion and selling off of the rest of the Canadian teams. Ultimately leading to hockey becoming an American sport - and as the culmination of this dark timeline - the return of the ill-fated 'Puck Streak' for televised games.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

So who the Flames are going to pick at 2 overall or 7 overall today?

I would take Wright myself. I think it's a situation with the bloom off the rose with him but he still looks like he's going to be a very useful center in the NHL like Lindholm.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

And if they can't sign him (for whatever reason), and have difficulty trading him (likely due to him not agreeing to a contract with the new team), what then?

The only option then is to accept whatever a team will give you for a for a one year rental of Tkachuk when you backs are against the wall.

Bad trades are made in desperate times when a team feels compelled to ship someone out by a set deadline.

I am simply saying that if they want to extract as much value as possible from Tkachuk, he should be signed or traded before July 11.

I know as Flames fans will simply accept and expect the worst, but I'm hoping for better here.

[BlindMilwaukee]

I think with the 2nd pick you can't miss with any of Wright, Slaf, Cooley, or Nemec.

[madmike]

Originally Posted by Macman

I’m still optimistic but if we lose one or both then what’s really the point anymore? Makes you wonder if a move of the team can’t be far behind especially with no new news on the new arena.

This is not good if you’re the owners.

It's not ideal, but Calgary is still a solid NHL market. Losing Gaudreau and Tkachuk will definitely result in fewer ticket sales (and kill any potential playoff revenue), but I'm sure the Flames will still be in the black.

Now if in future, more stars decide they don't want to play in Calgary I could see fan interest dwindling, but the situation the Flames face now is very rare.

[Monahammer]

Weakest draft possible to launch a rebuild into, so naturally this will be the time we finally do it.

I really hope that the Johnny-Matty line isn't done in Calgary. That was the best year as a flames fan in a long time. I know we've been spitting out trade proposals but the reality is that I don't want to lose either of these guys and my own fanhood will be diminished next season if they're gone. It will be really sad.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Bad trades are made in desperate times when a team feels compelled to ship someone out by a set deadline.

Bad decisions are made when deadlines are not set or observed. Not understanding the urgency of a situation, or ignoring it all together, is a certain way to make a bad decision that negatively impacts an organization.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Weakest draft possible to launch a rebuild into, so naturally this will be the time we finally do it.

I really hope that the Johnny-Matty line isn't done in Calgary. That was the best year as a flames fan in a long time. I know we've been spitting out trade proposals but the reality is that I don't want to lose either of these guys and my own fanhood will be diminished next season if they're gone. It will be really sad.

I think the Flames will be quiet today, and 2023 is a great draft to start.

[Hackey]

Land Wright with the 2nd OA, sell off assets and get a bunch of picks and prospects, land Bedard next year. They will be okay in a few years.