Matthew Tkachuk & Johnny Gaudreau Signing Watch Thread

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Cole436

I want to believe no news is good news. If Johnny was determined to hit the FA market, I don't think Treliving would be sitting on his hands like this.

What else can he do? FA is not open yet

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

According to several reports on twitter (labrun). They have not replied to the Flames offer. Treliving is trying to meet them this week to clarify.

That’s not holding then I don’t know what is

I don't see anything like that on LeBrun's twitter feed.

[Cole436]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

What else can he do? FA is not open yet

He would likely trade his rights to one of the teams Johnny has shown interest in.

[SuperMatt18]

Yeah Eichel is probably the best recent comparison.

Tkachuk the better on ice results and less health uncertainty

But Tkachuk has more question marks with the contract uncertainty.

Really if the Flames shop him they have to allow him to talk contract with the team trading for him for a better return. Similar to Fiala.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I don't see anything like that on LeBrun's twitter feed.

He does mention it in this TSN video

https://www.tsn.ca/NHL/video/what-wi...l-pick~2479768

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I don't see anything like that on LeBrun's twitter feed.

https://twitter.com/jamesjohnsonyyc/...yZn1-KrN5u1y9g

Not directly

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Cole436

He would likely trade his rights to one of the teams Johnny has shown interest in.

Johnny hasn’t decided one way or the other . That’s why we are here

[Poe969]

If Johnny walks, do you think Tkachuk will want to stay long term??? If he wants to win, he'll go somewhere else. If we want him to stay, it'll be a HUGE contract...and do you think he'll be as good without Gaudreau?

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Poe969

If Johnny walks, do you think Tkachuk will want to stay long term??? If he wants to win, he'll go somewhere else. If we want him to stay, it'll be a HUGE contract...and do you think he'll be as good without Gaudreau?

He ain’t going to be as good without Johnny or another star to help him

He’ll get more money but who knows what he wants to do

Tkachuk will get a big offer in the FA market. Maybe even bigger than Johnny’s

[blankall]

Originally Posted by bax

Easily replaceable or somewhat easily replaceable - what’s the difference? Tkachuk is neither of those things.

If you’re worried about how much Tkachuk contributes to his lines dominance there are plenty of metrics that show he contributes a lot.

You’re worried about him getting a big contract? Yeah top players typically earn top dollar - that isn’t a problem. Cap issues arise when you have 5-6 million dollar guys taking up space on the bottom half of your roster.

Bottom line is there no comparable player to Tkachuk available in free agency and heck even if there were what are the odds of Calgary actually landing him? Calgary typically isn’t a top pick for high profile free agents.

If your solution to replacing Tkachuk is signing an older, less productive, and equally as expensive player then you’re not making out ahead.

Less productive? Do you honestly believe that Tkachuk is a legit 100 point winger, without Gaudreau pumping him up? In the playoffs he was on pace for 68 points, which is much closer to his typical career production of 70ish points. Tkachuk is fantastic, but how excited are people going to be about him when he's making 10 million/year and only producing 70ish points.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

https://twitter.com/jamesjohnsonyyc/...yZn1-KrN5u1y9g

Not directly

Yesterday on Fan960, Ryan Pinder was talking about this topic.

he mentioned, this type of signing likely won't occur until they are in the final hours before free agency (his opinion only)

he used the example of Landeskog, who when he resigned with the Av's it was not done until hours before the deadline

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by blankall

Less productive? Do you honestly believe that Tkachuk is a legit 100 point winger, without Gaudreau pumping him up? In the playoffs he was on pace for 68 points, which is much closer to his typical career production of 70ish points. Tkachuk is fantastic, but how excited are people going to be about him when he's making 10 million/year and only producing 70ish points.

Which you can also attribute to playing an extremely locked down series against Dallas where scoring was hard to come by for everyone.

He was fine in the Edmonton series and is likely going to fall in between last season and his typical seasons previously, which point to him in the 80-85 point range. It's easy to forget he has had some very productive seasons without Gaudreau and without dedicated #1 PP unit time.

[djsFlames]

Teams are welcome to approach about Tkachuk even if Johnny stays.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

Which you can also attribute to playing an extremely locked down series against Dallas where scoring was hard to come by for everyone.

He was fine in the Edmonton series and is likely going to fall in between last season and his typical seasons previously, which point to him in the 80-85 point range. It's easy to forget he has had some very productive seasons without Gaudreau and without dedicated #1 PP unit time.

Tkachuk also had an injured hand for the majority of the playoffs.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I don't see anything like that on LeBrun's twitter feed.

I've heard something to this effect from Seravelli on various podcasts and radio shows as well. This is scary as a Flames fan because if things outside of money are things Johnny is struggling with (climate, competitiveness, location) then the Flames are not going to win against a lot of teams that may be willing to go to extreme's to try to land him.

This is a very concerning period to be in the dark as a fan and even more so as the GM. You just have to hope Tre doesn't go off the deep end to retain him with a ludacris AAV, or worse, lose him and attempt to spend every dollar on poor FA players to replace him by committee.

[devo22]

the decision about Tkachuk, in my mind, is completely isolated from Gaudreaus decision. If you can re-sign Chucky long-term, you do it. If you can't, you simply have to trade him, even if Johnny stays. Can't have yet another "will he, won't he" waiting game next year.

[bax]

Originally Posted by blankall

Less productive? Do you honestly believe that Tkachuk is a legit 100 point winger, without Gaudreau pumping him up? In the playoffs he was on pace for 68 points, which is much closer to his typical career production of 70ish points. Tkachuk is fantastic, but how excited are people going to be about him when he's making 10 million/year and only producing 70ish points.

I would be way happier with a 10 million dollar 24 year old Matthew Tkachuk than I would be with a 9 million dollar 28 year old Filip Forsberg. I would think 99% of fans would be too.

Points don’t even have anything to do with it. Tkachuk boasts elite metrics in all 3 zones. He’s a rare and valuable player.

One player is just entering their prime (and is already better) while the other player is on the verge of exiting their prime.

It’s laughable that you think we can just grab a player from free agency on a whim that is anywhere near the caliber of player Tkachuk is.

The only way the Flames should consider moving him is if he let’s them know he’s accepting his QO and not willing to negotiate a long term deal.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by bax

The only way the Flames should consider moving him is if he let’s them know he’s accepting his QO and not willing to negotiate a long term deal.

I assume that's what most are saying here. Or at least I hope so.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by bax

I would be way happier with a 10 million dollar 24 year old Matthew Tkachuk than I would be with a 9 million dollar 28 year old Filip Forsberg. I would think 99% of fans would be too.

Points don’t even have anything to do with it. Tkachuk boasts elite metrics in all 3 zones. He’s a rare and valuable player.

One player is just entering their prime (and is already better) while the other player is on the verge of exiting their prime.

It’s laughable that you think we can just grab a player from free agency on a whim that is anywhere near the caliber of player Tkachuk is.

The only way the Flames should consider moving him is if he let’s them know he’s accepting his QO and not willing to negotiate a long term deal.

The problem then is not a lot of teams can take on a $9M salary. This limits your return and potential trading partners significantly.

This previous Tkachuk deal was one of Trelivings biggest mistakes as GM. Had he drawn a harder line at a more workable term this current situation would be non-existent or much more manageable.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by bax

I would be way happier with a 10 million dollar 24 year old Matthew Tkachuk than I would be with a 9 million dollar 28 year old Filip Forsberg. I would think 99% of fans would be too.

Points don’t even have anything to do with it. Tkachuk boasts elite metrics in all 3 zones. He’s a rare and valuable player.

One player is just entering their prime (and is already better) while the other player is on the verge of exiting their prime.

It’s laughable that you think we can just grab a player from free agency on a whim that is anywhere near the caliber of player Tkachuk is.

The only way the Flames should consider moving him is if he let’s them know he’s accepting his QO and not willing to negotiate a long term deal.

I think Tkachuk needs to be signed or traded prior to July 11th. The moment that QO goes to Tkachuk, the game changes because all he has to do is sign it.

Trade him or sign him by Monday.