2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[ForeverFlameFan]

Wth is Ottawa doing

[Ashasx]

I assume Ottawa will be compensated for taking on Anderson's contract.

[Toonage]

So, like any good Canadian team they've declared their rebuild over for reasons (?) and now will go about business as usual.

[bax]

Originally Posted by Toonage

So, like any good Canadian team they've declared their rebuild over for reasons (?) and now will go about business as usual.

I’m pretty sure they quite literally declared that before last season and then proceeded to finish 26th overall.

If I’m moving 7th overall it ain’t for players like Anderson and Dvorak

[Monahammer]

Batherson + Stutzle for our Tkachuk maybe? Then if Ottawa goes out to get Dvorak and Armstrong with 7th, they could ice a pretty interesting top 6 next year.

Tkachuk-Norris-Tkachuk
Anderson-Dvorak-Connor Brown

[Jiri Hrdina]

Ottawa making the same mistake all Canadian teams make. Trying to open their contending window prematurely and without elite talent.

Rinse and repeat.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by bax

I’m pretty sure they quite literally declared that before last season and then proceeded to finish 26th overall.

If I’m moving 7th overall it ain’t for players like Anderson and Dvorak

I think the amount of 1st round picks that have already moved, and that people are actually speaking about moving top 10 picks, really speak to how poorly scouts/GMs think of this draft.

Outside of the top 2 picks I'm not sure how much high end talent there is.

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Ottawa making the same mistake all Canadian teams make. Trying to open their contending window prematurely and without elite talent.

Rinse and repeat.

It's tough. Because really I'm not sure they are bad enough to keep drafting top 5, and probably not good enough to make the playoffs. So do you try to move out pieces to suck again, or try to bring pieces in to get better at this point?

Chabot, Tkachuk, Batherson, Stutzle, Formenton are nice young pieces already making an impact for the team. Sanderson, Pinto, Greig, Sokolov, Thomson look to be pieces that will come up and supplement the young core.

I think it actually makes sense for the Senators to start adding. Now I think it's fair to question if you think Anderson and Dvorak are the right pieces, especially at the cost of 7th overall.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Ottawa making the same mistake all Canadian teams make. Trying to open their contending window prematurely and without elite talent.

Rinse and repeat.

Reminds me of the Hamonic trade and James Neal signing.

Rinse and repeat for sure

[Sylvanfan]

Canadian teams really do lack the patience to allow depth to build on their system and avoid this style of trade.

To me a rebuild isn't about trying to pick top 3 for 3 straight years as much as it is to accumulating 7 picks in the first three rounds for 2-3 straight years and letting those later picks develop into your third line and 4-6 defenceman on low cost deals and being able to trade a 2nd for another teams arbitration eligible RFA defenceman.

Ottawa was looking to be doing that but Dvorak and Anderson for value assets does not fit that strategy in my eyes.

[ForeverFlameFan]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1544710130939449347

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Ottawa making the same mistake all Canadian teams make. Trying to open their contending window prematurely and without elite talent.

Rinse and repeat.

This is the 5th straight draft Ottawa is in the top 10. They have paid their first lottery pick big money and he enters year 2 of a 7 year deal. Who knows how much convincing Tkachuk to sign was promising the team is intending on competing right away?

Their trading away of the Byram pick was nullified by getting Stutzle from the Sharks so this will be their 5th top 10 pick in a row.

I am being told that you only need to tank for 3 years to start turning it around but you and many who thanked the post believe they are rushing it 5 drafts after they started their rebuild.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

Reminds me of the Hamonic trade and James Neal signing.

Rinse and repeat for sure

Hamonic trade was made after the Flames made the playoffs for the 2nd time in 3 years so not really the best example. The team was firmly in a playoff spot but had a horrible second half in 2018 and they retooled on the fly and Neal looked to be a piece they needed someone who could score 20 in his sleep. It was also 5 over 5 years after they traded Iginla.

Do you want the endless rebuild that teams like Edmonton and Buffalo have had?

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

This is the 5th straight draft Ottawa is in the top 10. They have paid their first lottery pick big money and he enters year 2 of a 7 year deal. Who knows how much convincing Tkachuk to sign was promising the team is intending on competing right away?

Their trading away of the Byram pick was nullified by getting Stutzle from the Sharks so this will be their 5th top 10 pick in a row.

I am being told that you only need to tank for 3 years to start turning it around but you and many who thanked the post believe they are rushing it 5 drafts after they started their rebuild.

It’s one thing to pay a 2nd and a decent prospect for Dvorak or Anderson, but to get two middle 6 players and paying a top 10 pick in any draft is stupid. You buyout White only to go and get Anderson and Dvorak? Aim higher.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

This is the 5th straight draft Ottawa is in the top 10. They have paid their first lottery pick big money and he enters year 2 of a 7 year deal. Who knows how much convincing Tkachuk to sign was promising the team is intending on competing right away?

Their trading away of the Byram pick was nullified by getting Stutzle from the Sharks so this will be their 5th top 10 pick in a row.

I am being told that you only need to tank for 3 years to start turning it around but you and many who thanked the post believe they are rushing it 5 drafts after they started their rebuild.

"I am being told"

No, rebuilding isn't all the same. Draft years are not all the same, and more importantly management teams are not all the same.

Ottawa has horrible management and you can see it in how they draft, trade, and sign players. That Matt Murray contract was the dumbest contract given out in recent years and they paid a 2nd to acquire his rights on top of it!

Ottawa had the beginnings of a good rebuild, and no there's no "nullifying" of trading away Duchene. Fact is they didn't have a 1st round pick in 2019 because they pushed all-in, and lost their pick. So their rebuild effectively started in the 2019/2020 season. They kicked it off nicely by drafting Stutzle, Sanderson, and Greig in the 1st round that year - but then followed it up by trading a 2nd and signing a big ticket goalie. Their rebuild lasted 1 season and they immediately moved out of it and seem to be continuing to aggressively move beyond any idea of rebuilding.

They screwed this up just as quick as they bumbled their way into it. Ottawa is not an example of a good rebuild.

[dustygoon]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Wth is Ottawa doing

Omg. I hope Holland lost Dorion's fax number.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

It’s one thing to pay a 2nd and a decent prospect for Dvorak or Anderson, but to get two middle 6 players and paying a top 10 pick in any draft is stupid. You buyout White only to go and get Anderson and Dvorak? Aim higher.

That's my only issue with it. I think Ottawa has been really patient so far and have accumulated some really good young players. After 3-5 years of rebuilding through the draft, the next phase is to start supplementing through trades and free agency. Anderson and Dvorak though? They should shoot higher than that. Bad management is bad management though, regardless of whether you are rebuilding or not.

[Harry Lime]

I always thought that tarasenko would look great in Calgary. His next contract probably won't break the bank either. With so many blues players having excellent seasons, I'm not sure where value can be found anymore in a trade.

Unless the blues would consider a mangiapane centered trade for tarasenko. Something where valgary comes out ahead in cap terms.

[442scotty]

Ottawa gets Dvorak and Anderson, flip Anderson plus ——- to Calgary for Tkachuk.Tkachuk and Dvorak reunited. Calgary gets Anderson and who?

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

"I am being told"

No, rebuilding isn't all the same. Draft years are not all the same, and more importantly management teams are not all the same.

Ottawa has horrible management and you can see it in how they draft, trade, and sign players. That Matt Murray contract was the dumbest contract given out in recent years and they paid a 2nd to acquire his rights on top of it!

Ottawa had the beginnings of a good rebuild, and no there's no "nullifying" of trading away Duchene. Fact is they didn't have a 1st round pick in 2019 because they pushed all-in, and lost their pick. So their rebuild effectively started in the 2019/2020 season. They kicked it off nicely by drafting Stutzle, Sanderson, and Greig in the 1st round that year - but then followed it up by trading a 2nd and signing a big ticket goalie. Their rebuild lasted 1 season and they immediately moved out of it and seem to be continuing to aggressively move beyond any idea of rebuilding.

They screwed this up just as quick as they bumbled their way into it. Ottawa is not an example of a good rebuild.

They pushed all in because they were in game 7 OT in the ECF and lost the the team that won it all. They made the deal for Duchene and went into a free fall tank and were horrible that year which resulted in Tkachuk being drafted because they had the choice of the 18 or 19 1st to give up. They made the rebuilding trade with Karlsson that has netted them Stutzle and Norris.

I agree with you they have horrible management and their rebuild is failing. I agree Murray was a bad trade but he was a goalie with excellent pedigree in his 20’s I see the logic just bad pro scouting.

I have little doubt part of their sell to Tkachuk to extend was they were ready to compete. Ottawa will have a failed rebuild but I think the majority of rebuilds fail in one way or another but once you start paying your 21-24 year old players top player money the clock is on to win during those deals. The flames best chance to win likely was when Johnny was making 6.75 and not 10+

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by 442scotty

Ottawa gets Dvorak and Anderson, flip Anderson plus ——- to Calgary for Tkachuk.Tkachuk and Dvorak reunited. Calgary gets Anderson and who?

Better be Stutzle if we’re taking on Anderson