[News] Flyers' Ivan Fedotov detained in Russia for draft dodging

[Jiri Hrdina]

Suspect this will cause Russian players to plummet in the draft this weekend.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Check my post history. I'm probably the biggest Ovi fan on this site.

But my God he has ruined his legacy. I was cheering so hard for him to get the record, but now I'm indifferent. He honestly appeared to be a great guy with story after story coming out about his generosity, community work, etc. Plus nothing about abuse or misconduct in an age when so many are guilty of it.

But then this Putin stuff surfaces and it's all gone. I wish Leonsis would have the balls to confront him, but he won't. Sad.

I think some of you are being overly harsh here. Putin is crazy. I don't think Ovechkin or his family are so special in the big picture that they are above anything he's capable of doing. He could speak out and gain what? Pats on the back from anonymous people like us that have no skin in the game, while possibly putting family and relatives at risk of harm? This is way more complicated than you think and the stakes are very, very high. We have no idea what Putin has on him.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I think some of you are being overly harsh here. Putin is crazy. I don't think Ovechkin or his family are so special in the big picture that they are above anything he's capable of doing. He could speak out and gain what? Pats on the back from anonymous people like us that have no skin in the game, while possibly putting family and relatives at risk of harm? This is way more complicated than you think and the stakes are very, very high. We have no idea what Putin has on him.

Doing the right thing isn’t always the easy thing.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Doing the right thing isn’t always the easy thing.

Ok...
Would you put your family at risk?

I wouldn't. No way. I'm not going to put them in the cross hairs of a mad man.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by tvp2003

Yeah this is getting effed up:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1544714704995504128

Hey how about y’all leave his whereabouts UNREPORTED!

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Doing the right thing isn’t always the easy thing.

LOL so easy to say when you have no skin in the game. If your parents are in Russia are you going to cross that guy? Really? And what does the right thing accomplish? Making you happy at the risk of people dying?

[PepsiFree]

We're talking about a player who was detained, forcibly injected with an unknown substance, and then sent to the Arctic as punishment JUST for wanting to play in the NHL (not speaking against the motherland, not causing trouble, just wanting to play hockey in a different country) and there are posters who want another player to make a meaningless gesture against Russia because it's "the right thing."

That sort of attitude is more disgusting than anything Ovechkin is or isn't saying, honestly. He's a hockey player, not a politician. It doesn't save or help anyone, so you're just cheering for even more people to get hurt. Bizarre.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

We're talking about a player who was detained, forcibly injected with an unknown substance, and then sent to the Arctic as punishment JUST for wanting to play in the NHL (not speaking against the motherland, not causing trouble, just wanting to play hockey in a different country) and there are posters who want another player to make a meaningless gesture against Russia because it's "the right thing."

That sort of attitude is more disgusting than anything Ovechkin is or isn't saying, honestly. He's a hockey player, not a politician. It doesn't save or help anyone, so you're just cheering for even more people to get hurt. Bizarre.

Yes I’m cheering for more people to get hurt. Get a grip.

Ovechkin has sway in that country. He is in a leadership role if he likes it or not. If he speaks out, people listen. Maybe it’s the start of a peace movement, or maybe his family pays the price. Sophie Scholl spoke out and new EXACTLY what would happen if she did. Did it anyway.

He believes in Putin, and therein lies the problem.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Yes I’m cheering for more people to get hurt. Get a grip.

Ovechkin has sway in that country. He is in a leadership role if he likes it or not. If he speaks out, people listen. Maybe it’s the start of a peace movement, or maybe his family pays the price. Sophie Scholl spoke out and new EXACTLY what would happen if she did. Did it anyway.

He believes in Putin, and therein lies the problem.

You are, though. Since you want to bring Sophie Scholl into it, what happened to her and her family and friends? You say "maybe" but you know.

I'm not going to sit around and praise Ovechkin, I have no respect for his inaction, but I'm also not going to criticize a hockey player for not speaking out to American media about Russia. How much of that do you think is getting back to Russia?

Ukraine was looking for volunteers. Honest question: when are you going to serve?

[cral12]

Obviously this goes beyond hockey matters, but many of us must wonder how Flames approach this if some of the 1st rnd prospects from Russia drop to end of 2nd round and beyond.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1544736615045611520

[FlamesAddiction]

I think part of it is that Ovechkin was a Putin promoter even before the full scale invasion. Now that many innocent people have been murdered, his previous Putin support stands out and isn't a good look.

I am not saying that the dangers of speaking out are not real, but I think it is fair that people want to know his feelings now. It's hard to root for someone if you think they support a ruthless dictator.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I think part of it is that Ovechkin was a Putin promoter even before the full scale invasion. Now that many innocent people have been murdered, his previous Putin support stands out and isn't a good look.

I am not saying that the dangers of speaking out are not real, but I think it is fair that people want to know his feelings now. It's hard to root for someone if you think they support a ruthless dictator.

It’s even harder to care about his family with how many families are dying every day. But yeah, expecting people to think bigger than themselves is just hollow internet speak that no one has ever actually done before…

Like, as if something would happen to the most popular athletes family.

[Knut]

Hope he got out. Mixed reports out there about if he did or not.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1544717758046281730

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

You are, though. Since you want to bring Sophie Scholl into it, what happened to her and her family and friends? You say "maybe" but you know.

I'm not going to sit around and praise Ovechkin, I have no respect for his inaction, but I'm also not going to criticize a hockey player for not speaking out to American media about Russia. How much of that do you think is getting back to Russia?

Ukraine was looking for volunteers. Honest question: when are you going to serve?

You are being disingenuous all over the place. Yep, I’m just over here wishing violence on Ovi and his family. You got me.

Ovi was a vocal supporter of Putin before the war and during Crimea. If one of the most famous Russians globally speaks out, that will make news back home. You can choose to ignore that fact if you want. He won’t because he believes in the cause and in Putin.

Yes I’ll go stand at the front line in Ukraine with my extensive military experience.

[tvp2003]

Hoo boy:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1544781677079273481

Basically, Wild GM Bill Guerin confirms Kaprizov is still in Russia and it’s still unknown what the future holds.

Guerin also tried to convince Kaprizov not to return to Russia six weeks ago.

[Icon]

Well that sure sucks for Kaprizov... and holy are the Wild ever in shambles between this & the buyout cap hits.

[devo22]

Kaprizov was on that team with Fedotov. The SHOT Telegram reported that Kaprizov and Pavel Karnaukhov are suspected of buying military IDs in 2017.

Pavel Karnaukhov! Haven't read that name in a while. Former Hitmen forward and Flames draft pick.

[Huntingwhale]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I think some of you are being overly harsh here. Putin is crazy. I don't think Ovechkin or his family are so special in the big picture that they are above anything he's capable of doing. He could speak out and gain what? Pats on the back from anonymous people like us that have no skin in the game, while possibly putting family and relatives at risk of harm? This is way more complicated than you think and the stakes are very, very high. We have no idea what Putin has on him.

Not to turn this thread all political (too late I guess), but hasn't it been since day 1 of this war that the only way this stupid war stops and regime change happens is if the people of Russia themselves make it happen? I think we all know that NATO boots on the ground in Moscow is out of the question. Zelensky, Biden, most Western leaders, heck most of CP, has said that the only way regime change happens in that country is if the people that live there do something about it.

It's not going to be the poor minority soldiers or old Babushkas in Siberia enacting change. It's the elite in Moscow and SPB that will have the most effect, IF they get off their asses and do something about it. Yes a few have protested. But it's obviously not enough and seems to have died down.

I agree with CroFlames; OV has lost his legacy (in my own worthless opinion, at least) due to his continuing support for Putin. FFS his Instagram profile photo is STILL him with Putin. Say what you want about him being afraid or whatever. Fact is, he supports his Russian president and has constantly refused to speak out against him. Family in RU or not, he is an enabler. Sad since he was my favorite player up until a few months ago, and how his goal scoring record is just "meh" in my books.

There are obviously other factors at play, such as his parents being famous Russian athletes and I'm sure Putin being a hockey fan constantly has OV in his crosshairs. But if we are to accept that the Russian elite like OV has no say in the matter and are keeping quiet to protect themselves, then we must accept the fact that this world is now allowed to be held hostage to a madman with nukes and that's the way life on this planet will be for the rest of our existence .

[Samonadreau]

Would kaprizovs cap hit still go against the wild if he misses most or all of the season? Would the Wild still have to pay him?

[memphusk]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

Would kaprizovs cap hit still go against the wild if he misses most or all of the season? Would the Wild still have to pay him?

I would think that it wouldn't count. Its not like they told him to go home.