07-05-2022, 11:06 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Shanghai
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If the Flames straight up lose Johnny to free agency with nothing in return, I imagine that would have to be right at the top among the worst player asset losses in team history. In all likelihood that would become what Treliving is most remembered for and what people talk about with his tenure as Flames GM 10+ years after he's gone. It would be up there with the Gilmour trade.
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07-05-2022, 11:22 PM
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#5482
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Would it be any worse than the Islanders losing Tavares?
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07-05-2022, 11:28 PM
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#5483
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Celebrated Square Root Day
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Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
Would it be any worse than the Islanders losing Tavares?
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I don't really worry about comparisons, but it will definitely be a deathblow to our team, I believe. A deathblow in that we will surely go right back to that 8-11th place in the conference level. If we were a franchise that showed a history of throwing in the towel and burning things down for a brighter future once and awhile I'd be less ancy.
That's not the Flames though, they've been dragged into a rebuild kicking and screaming once since the salary cap and league parity came into play. And they absolutely will not do it if they lose Gaudreau, that's what scares me.
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07-05-2022, 11:30 PM
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#5484
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
Would it be any worse than the Islanders losing Tavares?
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Not sure what Flames history has to do with the Islanders.
It's definitely the worst Flame to walk for nothing full stop.
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07-05-2022, 11:38 PM
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#5485
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My point is that islander fans thought all the same things
And they ended up being fine
What is key is what happens next
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07-05-2022, 11:44 PM
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#5486
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Moneyhands23
Not sure what Flames history has to do with the Islanders.
It's definitely the worst Flame to walk for nothing full stop.
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I'd be curious to see a list of the biggest impact players to leave the Flames free agents.
Cammaleri, Cassels (was disappointing as a Flame, but rebounded after leaving), Kiprusoff (retired), St. Louis (before he broke out).
I am sure I am forgetting some, but I can't recall many. Actually, did Kipper leave a year on the table? I don't recall.
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Last edited by FlamesAddiction; 07-05-2022 at 11:55 PM.
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07-05-2022, 11:46 PM
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#5487
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Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
My point is that islander fans thought all the same things
And they ended up being fine
What is key is what happens next
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The Islanders had Lee and barzel who both played the same position. Lee had just scored 40 goals and Barzel is no slouch. They also had just unloaded hamonic to us for good picks and drafted well. Oops lee was a winger
To replace johnny we have Mangiapane and that's cool but after that we have a big hole compared to what the Islanders had. And we have not so much in the picks department.
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07-05-2022, 11:47 PM
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#5488
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
My point is that islander fans thought all the same things
And they ended up being fine
What is key is what happens next
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Well, they were fine two seasons ago. Last season not so much.
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07-05-2022, 11:53 PM
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#5489
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Originally Posted by GioforPM
Well, they were fine two seasons ago. Last season not so much.
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I bet they are better next season. Last year was rough on the Island.
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07-05-2022, 11:58 PM
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Originally Posted by Moneyhands23
The Islanders had Lee and barzel who both played the same position. Lee had just scored 40 goals and Barzel is no slouch. They also had just unloaded hamonic to us for good picks and drafted well. Oops lee was a winger
To replace johnny we have Mangiapane and that's cool but after that we have a big hole compared to what the Islanders had. And we have not so much in the picks department.
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This type of pessimism in these parts is quite typical. It is fashionable to think that the Flames are a terrible team with no future, and far more impoverished than their NHL contemporaries, but this is silly hyperbole. The Flames do not "have a big hole compared to what the Islanders had." On the contrary, I would say they are probably in even better shape when cross-comparing their current roster to Tavares's last year in NYI. At worst, their situations are very close.
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07-06-2022, 12:03 AM
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#5491
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction
I'd be curious to see a list of the biggest impact players to leave the Flames free agents.
Cammaleri, Cassels (was disappointing as a Flame, but rebounded after leaving), Kiprusoff (retired), St. Louis (before he broke out).
I am sure I am forgetting some, but I can't recall many. Actually, did Kipper leave a year on the table? I don't recall.
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Conroy stung
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07-06-2022, 12:04 AM
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#5492
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
Conroy stung
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Good point. Totally forgot he was a free agent when he left.
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07-06-2022, 12:07 AM
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#5493
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: east van
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Quote:
Originally Posted by harleymjr
Why not allow Gaudreau camp to talk to other teams early like Philly and NJ? Then if Johnny decides that he wants to be closer to the East, then the Flames can start doing trades on Nhl draft day.
Flames can still use their advantage of 8 year contract.
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If a player, any player wanted to walk to another team it isnt in his interest to reduce the assets of the team he is going to, the last thing any player would want is to reduce his chances of winning a cup by hamstringing his new team, it's cruel but if he wants to go to Philly or New York he wants it to be as easy and cheap (other than his salary) as possible
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07-06-2022, 12:25 AM
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#5494
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Originally Posted by Textcritic
This type of pessimism in these parts is quite typical. It is fashionable to think that the Flames are a terrible team with no future, and far more impoverished than their NHL contemporaries, but this is silly hyperbole. The Flames do not "have a big hole compared to what the Islanders had." On the contrary, I would say they are probably in even better shape when cross-comparing their current roster to Tavares's last year in NYI. At worst, their situations are very close.
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Well if he walks I guess we will get to see how the team responds.
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07-06-2022, 12:50 AM
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#5495
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Celebrated Square Root Day
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Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
Conroy stung
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But it brought us one of my personal favourite Flames moments....The return of Conroy, against LA, with 2 goals. What an amazing night that was.
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07-06-2022, 06:44 AM
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#5496
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Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
Conroy stung
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Not really. Conroy was a middling player akin to Backlund. He was coming off an eight goal season when he left and was really a product of Iginla. He was a likeable guy, but not an impact player like Gaudreau. We lost one of the best interviews in the game in Conroy, but he was totally replaceable as a player.
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07-06-2022, 06:48 AM
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#5497
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction
I'd be curious to see a list of the biggest impact players to leave the Flames free agents.
Cammaleri, Cassels (was disappointing as a Flame, but rebounded after leaving), Kiprusoff (retired), St. Louis (before he broke out).
I am sure I am forgetting some, but I can't recall many. Actually, did Kipper leave a year on the table? I don't recall.
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It wasn't officially leaving as a free agent, but he was traded because the flames knew they couldn't sign him...but Fleury at the time was devastating. I still have the newspaper article somewhere...
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07-06-2022, 07:02 AM
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#5498
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tkflames
It wasn't officially leaving as a free agent, but he was traded because the flames knew they couldn't sign him...but Fleury at the time was devastating. I still have the newspaper article somewhere...
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Getting a young Regehr back in that trade softened the blow and is exactly what a GM in that situation should have done.
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07-06-2022, 07:04 AM
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#5499
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tkflames
It wasn't officially leaving as a free agent, but he was traded because the flames knew they couldn't sign him...but Fleury at the time was devastating. I still have the newspaper article somewhere...
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I remember this well. There were future considerations attached to the trade. The Avs made a recent draft pick available. Flames fans online all wanted Alex Tanguay. We ended up with Robyn Regehr who subsequently broke both legs in a car accident. The rest is history.
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07-06-2022, 07:16 AM
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#5500
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Quote:
Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction
I'd be curious to see a list of the biggest impact players to leave the Flames free agents.
Cammaleri, Cassels (was disappointing as a Flame, but rebounded after leaving), Kiprusoff (retired), St. Louis (before he broke out).
I am sure I am forgetting some, but I can't recall many. Actually, did Kipper leave a year on the table? I don't recall.
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I don't get why the Flames never brought in Sanderson to play with Cassels. At the time the best duo in the league was Selanne and Kariya, guess who was next? He was a free agent and wasn't expensive either (of course they could have tried and he refused to sign).
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