Matthew Tkachuk & Johnny Gaudreau Signing Watch Thread

[manwiches]

I'd be lying, that even though this thread has been a tire fire w some posters, I still check it once an hour the past 2 weeks to see if there has been any update...

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by manwiches

I'd be lying, that even though this thread has been a tire fire w some posters, I still check it once an hour the past 2 weeks to see if there has been any update...

We we here crazies will throw another good year on the fire for ya tomorrow

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

I wouldn't be shocked if BT does...

Based on what?

Have yet to see Treliving overpay an RFA.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Based on what?

Have yet to see Treliving overpay an RFA.

Do I have to see something to not be surprised by it?

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Gord Miller and Mike Johnson are on Overdrive with Hayes.

All 3 believe if Gaudreau was staying, it would already be done.

They also speculate that Tkachuk will be the beneficiary either way. Calgary opens the vault or he goes to St. Louis after this season as they will have oodles of money to spend in UFA with O'Reilly and Tarasenko coming off the books next summer.

Neutral observers all.

Just kind of jarring to really hear others say it even if its been covered ad nauseum here.

If things go as south as ppl like Johnson think it will, Flames owners will have no choice but to strip mine the management office.
None at all. No GM team can survive losing your two biggest stars for nothing.

Thats too high a price for 2 2nd round exits and 2 pacific division penants in what 6 years? Yeah, that won't fly.


Like I said yesterday, if Treliving was a wizard, he'd be Gandalf the grey. He's going to need to be Gandalf the white this offseason.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by dammage79

If things go as south as ppl like Johnson think it will, Flames owners will have no choice but to strip mine the management office.

None at all. No GM team can survive losing your two biggest stars for nothing.



Thats too high a price for 2 2nd round exits and 2 pacific division penants in what 6 years? Yeah, that won't fly.

I suspect that Treliving's performance evaluations are a little more nuanced than just that. I believe he will more likely get another extension than be fired, even if both Gaudreau and Tkachuk are not extended. Ownership loves him, and they trust him.


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[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Jiggy

I swear someone on cp is going full Alfalfa mode from the little rascals... Johnny loves us and will stay, Johnny will break my heart, Johnny loves us and will stay, Johnny will break my heart.

Someone needs to send Johnny a photo of a girl in Flames swag picking petals off of a flower.

"He loves me, he loves me not..."

Via IG dms, of course.

[dissentowner]

Every media guy is going to say he is leaving because it gets attention and hits, that is what they get paid for. That's the drama people want to hear and read, not that he is staying in Calgary. Every supposed insider is going to run with that even though we know neither side is leaking anything.

[Jiffy Loob]

I'm still a little surprised at this "sizeable" offer of 8 x $9.5M coupled now with the rumor from Friedman that the Flames would love to hear something from his camp this week and are now "flexible" to increase the offer.

I realize signing all other players is a major challenge, but that's not really Gaudreau's problem, and if you're "moving heaven and earth", how is that your first offer? Low-balling the annual amount and transparently using the 8th year to negotiate a potentially slightly higher total 8 year contract amount to win over the player I don't believe is the best starting strategy.

I would imagine they're aware other teams are prepared to offer $10+ over 7 years and there's something to being valued as a top-player in the league for what you're doing now. Also aware everyone keeps on saying it's not about money, but after scoring the second highest amount of points with a truly legendary +/- and driving the "best line in hockey", he should be paid as a top earner annually. Even if the team has tough decisions when signing other players - it's the double-edged sword of having a top-five scorer.

And while the 8 year offer from the Flames is a lot of dough for sure, he's still making less per year than Panarin - that's not right. If I value myself as a top earner (and Gaudreau was theoretically #2 earner in the league this year), I want to be paid commensurately and fairly by the market. And ownerships typically need to step up accordingly.

All said, if I'm John (or his agent) I would have decided to set a min benchmark at $10M - with every job offer you need to know your min number. Having heard this first offer, I keep mum, and I wait until the 11th hour to see if the Flames up it to $9.75 or $10M, as I ultimately use it to boost my 8 year AAV amount from $9.5 to ~$10M.

I know many may disagree, but even at $10M/yr Johnny could be a bargain relative to other top offensive players over the next few years. What does Pasta, JT Miller or Kadri get, for example? Pay the man his money, as that guy says.

[Badgers Nose]

If he tests FA just to sign here, that would be pretty cool too.

All the media hype shows would be wall to wall JG and then he signs in boring old Calgary. Haha, that would be great.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

If he tests FA just to sign here, that would be pretty cool too.

All the media hype shows would be wall to wall JG and then he signs in boring old Calgary. Haha, that would be great.

It would be cool of I'd didn't cost more on the aav. If the Flames have to compete 7 year deal on 7 year deal that's gonna hurt

[harleymjr]

Why not allow Gaudreau camp to talk to other teams early like Philly and NJ? Then if Johnny decides that he wants to be closer to the East, then the Flames can start doing trades on Nhl draft day.
Flames can still use their advantage of 8 year contract.
Thoughts?

[bcneil]

Originally Posted by harleymjr

Why not allow Gaudreau camp to talk to other teams early like Philly and NJ? Then if Johnny decides that he wants to be closer to the East, then the Flames can start doing trades on Nhl draft day.
Flames can still use their advantage of 8 year contract.
Thoughts?

Sign him to 8 years, while having a trade already worked out?
I don't think the league would like that, we ain't Vegas.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by harleymjr

Why not allow Gaudreau camp to talk to other teams early like Philly and NJ? Then if Johnny decides that he wants to be closer to the East, then the Flames can start doing trades on Nhl draft day.
Flames can still use their advantage of 8 year contract.
Thoughts?

Because the only leverage the Flames have is the 8th year and that makes for a tiny bit of leverage

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Jiffy Loob

I'm still a little surprised at this "sizeable" offer of 8 x $9.5M coupled now with the rumor from Friedman that the Flames would love to hear something from his camp this week and are now "flexible" to increase the offer.

I realize signing all other players is a major challenge, but that's not really Gaudreau's problem, and if you're "moving heaven and earth", how is that your first offer? Low-balling the annual amount and transparently using the 8th year to negotiate a potentially slightly higher total 8 year contract amount to win over the player I don't believe is the best starting strategy.

I would imagine they're aware other teams are prepared to offer $10+ over 7 years and there's something to being valued as a top-player in the league for what you're doing now. Also aware everyone keeps on saying it's not about money, but after scoring the second highest amount of points with a truly legendary +/- and driving the "best line in hockey", he should be paid as a top earner annually. Even if the team has tough decisions when signing other players - it's the double-edged sword of having a top-five scorer.

And while the 8 year offer from the Flames is a lot of dough for sure, he's still making less per year than Panarin - that's not right. If I value myself as a top earner (and Gaudreau was theoretically #2 earner in the league this year), I want to be paid commensurately and fairly by the market. And ownerships typically need to step up accordingly.

All said, if I'm John (or his agent) I would have decided to set a min benchmark at $10M - with every job offer you need to know your min number. Having heard this first offer, I keep mum, and I wait until the 11th hour to see if the Flames up it to $9.75 or $10M, as I ultimately use it to boost my 8 year AAV amount from $9.5 to ~$10M.

I know many may disagree, but even at $10M/yr Johnny could be a bargain relative to other top offensive players over the next few years. What does Pasta, JT Miller or Kadri get, for example? Pay the man his money, as that guy says.

I think it’s a forgone conclusion that Johnny is getting at least $10M per season.

He might even get in the $12M range.

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by harleymjr

Why not allow Gaudreau camp to talk to other teams early like Philly and NJ? Then if Johnny decides that he wants to be closer to the East, then the Flames can start doing trades on Nhl draft day.
Flames can still use their advantage of 8 year contract.
Thoughts?

I wonder if he already has been talking to other teams?

[Icantwhisper]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Every media guy is going to say he is leaving because it gets attention and hits, that is what they get paid for. That's the drama people want to hear and read, not that he is staying in Calgary. Every supposed insider is going to run with that even though we know neither side is leaking anything.

I don’t think that’s it, players basically get one chance to chose where they play, this is JG chance. It’s pretty logical that most players would want to see what options are available.
You seem to confusing people thinking he won’t sign with people hoping he won’t sign. It’s just as likely he signs as it is he walks. I’m not hoping he walks but I’m able to acknowledge that it is a very real possibility

[Otto-matic]

End of the day if the reports are true and the Flames did offer Johnny a salary that couldn't be matched but he puts his family over money. I'll respect that and cheer even harder for him to win a cup.

Not many players put Family over $$

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Icantwhisper

I don’t think that’s it, players basically get one chance to chose where they play, this is JG chance. It’s pretty logical that most players would want to see what options are available.
You seem to confusing people thinking he won’t sign with people hoping he won’t sign. It’s just as likely he signs as it is he walks. I’m not hoping he walks but I’m able to acknowledge that it is a very real possibility

Honestly, at this point, suggesting he won't sign isn't exactly going out on a limb. One week to go and every minute that goes by makes it less likely it gets done in time. That's just the way time works. There is also some truth to the notion that if he was sure he wanted to sign, it would have been done by now. The best situation is that he is unsure and the worst case is that he is sure he doesn't want to. The possibility of a negative out come given the lack of any other information, outweighs the chance of a positive outcome. It's simple math... it's a 50/50 chance or a 0/100 chance that he signs at this point. The 100% chance is not a realistic hope given that it is down to the wire now.

If a media guy wanted attention, the more outrageous stance would be saying that he is likely to sign. I still hope it happens obviously, but we should prepare for the worst.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I suspect that Treliving's performance evaluations are a little more nuanced than just that. I believe he will more likely get another extension than be fired, even if both Gaudreau and Tkachuk are not extended. Ownership loves him, and they trust him.


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I agree his evaluation will be more nuanced than that.

It’s tough though. On the one hand I love that Treliving “went for it”, who knows, maybe it might’ve worked and we coulda been in the Final or with a Cup.

On the other hand, it’s easy to see why so many, including ownership, will view this as a gigantic cluster####. The Flames are in a very tough spot. Maybe the toughest I can recall actually as a fan. Can’t imagine the owners like it.