Kane and Dubois don’t make sense in the context of the discussion though. They also talk about drafting and developing a player who becomes a star and then leaves town. Neither of those players fit the description. Kane in particular, isn’t really a fixture on the Oilers and I think everyone expected him to be one and done.
Correction - "they" don't. Ferraro does and he wasn't the one bringing the rumour. And Dreger never acknowledges Ferraro at all during his rant about drafting/developing a player.
I don't see the implication here. Flames have few draft picks to trade so I don't see why his answer will dictate anything at the draft. I don't think the Flames are looking to shop his rights.
The draft is where most big trades happen these days. It’s the best opportunity to remake your roster, even if you aren’t dealing picks.
If Gaudreau isn’t coming back, the Flames can’t sit on their hands - they need to be active. They’ll have less scope of movement if they wait until July 13.
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Treliving said they will take this right up until the 13th with Johnny. If he bails I really don’t know what they will do. Friedman states they aren’t looking to make a panic signing or anything so will they just let another core player go for nothing and hope they can improve from within? I really think they are going to try and push Johnny for an answer in the next 2 days so they can figure out plan B.
I don’t think it would be anywhere near an ultimatum, but more like soft pressure :
“we’ll be exploring various opportunities throughout the draft. If a deal comes along that makes sense for the future of the team we will have to seriously consider it, even if it requires us to withdraw our best offer from you”
More to it than that and both sides would know it’s unlikely, but it’s also not a totally empty threat.
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If Johnny walks and this team doesn't rebuild it would the the most Calgary Flames thing to happen since well.. the Calgary Flames.
What an absolute dumpster fire this would cause, similar to Iginla going for nothing because this Franchise held on to him for too long and didn't do enough around him during the prime years...
I personally find the level of panic around the possibility that Gaudreau signs elsewhere in the coming weeks patently absurd. I get where the fear comes from, but it strikes me as 1) demonstrably ignorant of the team's current situation, and 2) prematurely alarmed by the immediate future.
On the first point, absolutely everyone should know by now that the Flames WILL NOT be embarking on a rebuild this summer. Sutter is still under contract for another year, and while Gaudreau is arguably the team's most important player, he is still just one player after all, and the rest of the roster is still also relatively young. Management will seek either to fill the hole left immediately through free agency and trades, or they will supplement with smaller deals, and see how things go to start the season.
This brings me to my second point. The team will almost certainly not be as good as this year's version, but the fact of the matter is that we have no idea at this point how good or bad they will be once the season is underway. The Pacific Division is still one that is wide open, and there really isn't much long-term ground lost by playing the year out. I think the more prudent thing to do would be to see how things go through the first half of the year, and to make a decision about the longer-term future much closer to the New Year. At that point we should know what to expect from the group, and whether or not they can make another run in the playoffs. If the team is as bad as some imagine they will be, then the TD is the opportunity to move assets for futures, and to embark in earnest on a rebuild. It makes good sense, since it also coincides with the end of Sutter's contract, and Monahan's, and leaves all of Backlund, Lindholm, Toffoli Tanev and Hanifin with one year remaining on theirs. Several of these are very attractive, low-cost assets for a team looking to make a run, and would command a substantial return if the decision was made to move them next summer.
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Honestly, I am not terribly worried at all about how Treliving is handling the actual numbers and his tactics in this negotiation. He has shown to be pretty astute when it comes to this stuff; I am pretty confident that if Gaudreau is re-signed, then it will be for a very fair deal from all sides.
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Gord Miller and Mike Johnson are on Overdrive with Hayes.
All 3 believe if Gaudreau was staying, it would already be done.
They also speculate that Tkachuk will be the beneficiary either way. Calgary opens the vault or he goes to St. Louis after this season as they will have oodles of money to spend in UFA with O'Reilly and Tarasenko coming off the books next summer.
Neutral observers all.
Just kind of jarring to really hear others say it even if its been covered ad nauseum here.
Gord Miller and Mike Johnson are on Overdrive with Hayes.
All 3 believe if Gaudreau was staying, it would already be done.
They also speculate that Tkachuk will be the beneficiary either way. Calgary opens the vault or he goes to St. Louis after this season as they will have oodles of money to spend in UFA with O'Reilly and Tarasenko coming off the books next summer.
Neutral observers all.
Just kind of jarring to really hear others say it even if its been covered ad nauseum here.
Correction - "they" don't. Ferraro does and he wasn't the one bringing the rumour. And Dreger never acknowledges Ferraro at all during his rant about drafting/developing a player.
You're right, I just have doubts that these web casts are completely improvised and Ferraro was completely in the dark about the topic. I'd be surprised if he and Dreger didn't talk about it before going live and teasing the audience.
It does sound like he says Winnipeg while Ferarro is spazzing out, but it's so muffled that it is difficult to say for sure. It sounds like mumbling more than anything.
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Gord Miller and Mike Johnson are on Overdrive with Hayes.
All 3 believe if Gaudreau was staying, it would already be done.
They also speculate that Tkachuk will be the beneficiary either way. Calgary opens the vault or he goes to St. Louis after this season as they will have oodles of money to spend in UFA with O'Reilly and Tarasenko coming off the books next summer.
Neutral observers all.
Just kind of jarring to really hear others say it even if its been covered ad nauseum here.
I don’t know it seems like every year a big free agent is signed by their team in the days leading up to or the eve of free agency. Landeskog rings a bell because it was last year but Karlsson is another that jumps to mind.
Also the Flames can’t let Tkachuk sign his QO and walk they must trade him if that is the way he is leaning
It’s crazy, but I don’t think the Flames collapse if we lose Johnny.
I’d rather have him. But if he wants to sign elsewhere we put someone else on the first line and their production goes up. What’s the delta between Johnny and another player on the Flames and how that relates to team goals? Is it 50 less goals? Is the difference less than that?
And that assumes the Flames don’t add anyone.
It makes the job harder for Sutter, but if they become a hard nosed grinding team that could work with our goalie and D.
Well Jon will have everything presented to him on Saturday/Sunday this week since he can negotiate after the NHL Draft has concluded, He will know if the 9.5x8(76Million) by Calgary is highest cash value but I have a feeling team(s) will launch the 11.5x7(80.5Million) at Jon.
Well Jon will have everything presented to him on Saturday/Sunday this week since he can negotiate after the NHL Draft has concluded, He will know if the 9.5x8(76Million) by Calgary is highest cash value but I have a feeling team(s) will launch the 11.5x7(80.5Million) at Jon.
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I don’t know it seems like every year a big free agent is signed by their team in the days leading up to or the eve of free agency. Landeskog rings a bell because it was last year but Karlsson is another that jumps to mind.
All true but they also brought up the "American kid in Canada" angle and the massive differences of lockdown during the pandemic. Apparently it is a thing among many players on how restricted they were here vs the US.
I can see that being a factor if anyone believes we see another nasty strain make an appearance in Sept/Oct or whatever.
Their arguments when compiled and filtered through do make a lot of sense and again, nothing that hasn't been thoroughly discussed here.
I had thought for a long time he was leaving based on how close he is to family and then kind of tilted the other way because of the year that he and the team just had. Then after the glow wore off and you list how things could have gone vs how they have gone, i lean even heavier he leaves now.
I also agree that MT then garners a huge 6-7 year deal that, by proxy, makes him the face of the franchise.....just like his brother has done.
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It’s crazy, but I don’t think the Flames collapse if we lose Johnny.
I’d rather have him. But if he wants to sign elsewhere we put someone else on the first line and their production goes up. What’s the delta between Johnny and another player on the Flames and how that relates to team goals? Is it 50 less goals? Is the difference less than that?
And that assumes the Flames don’t add anyone.
It makes the job harder for Sutter, but if they become a hard nosed grinding team that could work with our goalie and D.
The team would struggle to score for sure, you'd really have to hope for a Monahan comeback, Dube taking another step, or one of the young guys like Pelletier coming in and making an impact.
The team would struggle to score for sure, you'd really have to hope for a Monahan comeback, Dube taking another step, or one of the young guys like Pelletier coming in and making an impact.
The team would struggle to score for sure, you'd really have to hope for a Monahan comeback, Dube taking another step, or one of the young guys like Pelletier coming in and making an impact.
