Matthew Tkachuk & Johnny Gaudreau Signing Watch Thread

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

While I am just fine with that happening, I also don’t want Tkachuk struggling out the gate and now we are stuck with a long term contract and it actually turned out that Johnny was the reason Tkachuk hit 100 points. We will have to rely on Mangiapane to be a first line winger if that’s the case.

We know Tkachuk is a hell of a player without Gaudreau. Lots of guys hit huge numbers this year that we have no idea if they will get back to. We do know Tkachuk is a stud player with or without Johnny

[OptimalTates]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

I always think about if Edmontons three 1OA’s in a row were three years prior.
Kane, Stamkos, Tavares…

I'm not sure I would trust them to draft Kane. It wasn't an obvious pick. Could have had Turris instead and likely quickly ruin his development. Stamkos (or Doughty) and Tavares (or Hedman) would be harder to ruin.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

We know Tkachuk is a hell of a player without Gaudreau. Lots of guys hit huge numbers this year that we have no idea if they will get back to. We do know Tkachuk is a stud player with or without Johnny

I think he’s likely PPG without Johnny. But he’s gonna ask for 100 point salary. He has some limitations though, notably speed, and he needs just the right line mates. Lindholm helped him a lot.

[OptimalTates]

TSN had Turris as their number 1 pick, although Kane seemed more of a consensus elsewhere. Based on their picks I assume the Oilers scouting department pretty much does just turn on TSN to see what they say and if anyone can screw things up it's the Oilers.

So they draft Turris in 2007. Have a premiere forward and need defense so they draft....Bogosian in 2008. Then they do get Tavares but he pulls a Lindros. There's no world where the Oilers end up good.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by OptimalTates

I'm not sure I would trust them to draft Kane. It wasn't an obvious pick. Could have had Turris instead and likely quickly ruin his development. Stamkos (or Doughty) and Tavares (or Hedman) would be harder to ruin.

Even the two they missed out on before McDavid, in MacKinnon and Ekblad. The hockey gods were looking out for everyone there.

[OptimalTates]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Even the two they missed out on before McDavid, in MacKinnon and Ekblad. The hockey gods were looking out for everyone there.

MacKinnon is out of the league by now if the Oilers draft and develop him. Yakupov is winning his fifth consecutive Hart if any other team took him instead. Don't hate the players hate the...teams.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

No I was talking about their plans to get Gaudreau. I’m not sure they can afford what Bratt wants and what Gaudreau wants.

An idea could be to trade Bratt to bolster D/G and replace him with Gaudreau.

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

While I am just fine with that happening, I also don’t want Tkachuk struggling out the gate and now we are stuck with a long term contract and it actually turned out that Johnny was the reason Tkachuk hit 100 points. We will have to rely on Mangiapane to be a first line winger if that’s the case.

Until the last stretch of shortened season Tkachuk had not played very much with Gaudreau EVS.

I think he's still a ppg player without Gaudreau as he becomes the new straw that stirs the offensive drink.

[tvp2003]

I'm not persuaded by the "no news is bad news for the Flames" suggestions. Obviously no news of an extension being signed is not good, but everything else suggests it is in Gaudreau's interests to remain quiet until the days leading up to July 13 regardless of where he stands:

- If he wants to re-sign, it potentially leverages the best offer from the Flames. Remember, Johnny waited until 2 days before the season started in 2016 before signing his last contract.

- If he wants to leave, keeping Calgary in the mix keeps his value high come July 13. Saying he won't re-sign takes one less buyer (with possibly the biggest offer) out the mix. No reason to do that, other than "goodwill" to his former team so they can move on sooner.

- If he's undecided (which I think he is), then there is nothing to report. I think the debate in Johnny's mind -- if there is one -- is whether he wants to forego the ability to re-sign with Calgary for the 8th year to see what other teams will truly offer on July 13 (he and his agent will likely have a general idea already). Calgary will no doubt be ready to present a very attractive 7-year deal should it come to that, and Johnny knows that too.

I also think Treliving waits as long as he possibly can to re-sign Gaudreau. His only leverage is to suggest to Johnny that if he doesn't accept or reject, that the Flames will start pursuing Plan B. But I wouldn't put much stock in that unless they have something done in principle with a guy like Forsberg, and Tkachuk's extension is also imminent.

[Monahammer]

with friedman reporting on 32 thoughts that the flames will be asking him to state his intentions this week, we may understand through the team's actions at the draft and following what Johnny's communication to them was.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by tvp2003

I also think Treliving waits as long as he possibly can to re-sign Gaudreau. His only leverage is to suggest to Johnny that if he doesn't accept or reject, that the Flames will start pursuing Plan B.

I agree 100%, but I doubt that's a game Treliving wants to play with Johnny. Unless he believes Johnny is almost certainly on his way out, and Treliving really wants to push for an answer as he feels he has little to lose.

[Vinny01]

https://twitter.com/nhlrumorsdaily/s...9ZZbJTznhok-mw

NRD is a fairly legit insider. Basically says if we don’t see a big move from Jersey at the draft it is likely because they are going all out for Johnny

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Royle9

You're not wrong, but mostly when I say proper I refer to the following:

1. Good timing (see next years draft)
2. Not signing horrible UFA contracts - Kadri's next one for example
3. Moving any player you can for favorable returns
4. Growing your prospect base and graduating players who deserve it - Jacob P for example

There's obviously a lot to it, but you have to start there.

Seems like a reasonable approach. Maybe it’s just me but I find that when many talk about tearing it down or a rebuild, that means we’re getting Connor Beddard, miss the playoffs for three years and the meteoric rise to the cup shortly thereafter.

A word of caution would be to look at Detroit. They have benen a lottery team for years and never finished with a top three pick.

‘Luck’ and ‘rebuild’ should be synonymous terms.

[Major Major]

Best case scenario could be Flyers can't wait on Johnny with Jersey looming large so they take Debrincat for the 5th then flames deal Tkachuk to New Jersey for the 2 overall since he fits their group better than Johnny. Gaudreau takes the money from Calgary and flames take Trochek in FA with Tkachuk money.

[OptimalTates]

Wings could have had two calder nominees this year and they did have the easy winner. The draft lottery has also been changed just as much because of them. So the only year they finished at the bottom of the league they drafted fourth which is no longer possible.

[DiracSpike]

Anything's possible but I think it's pretty clear at this point that JG is going to explore free agency. The smart move from the Flames would be to do what Sutter did that one year when he traded for like one week of exclusive negotiating rights for JayBo and he said "here's this offer from us, take it or leave it". You have to exert the only leverage you have (had) which was exclusive negotiating rights and have some incentive to get him to not explore a large positive factor of free agency of having a bunch of times bid for you. The smart move from the flames would be to offer him their max, tell him it's their max offer, and say they'd still be interested in signing him once free agency starts but he won't get as much as they're offering him now. It doesn't make any sense to start low, why would he sign a lowball offer from the one team he's ever played for just weeks away from UFA.

[bax]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

https://twitter.com/nhlrumorsdaily/s...9ZZbJTznhok-mw

NRD is a fairly legit insider. Basically says if we don’t see a big move from Jersey at the draft it is likely because they are going all out for Johnny

NRD isn’t legit at all. He has never broken a deal. Just throws a lot of mud at the wall and then when something actually sticks claims he had it early when an actual insider inevitably breaks the news.

Just Flames related in the past 2 years he has claimed:

- leader to land Palmieri at the deadline (despite us being sellers)
- going after Granlund from Nashville (despite us being sellers)
- Kuemper to Calgary is imminent
- Flames in on CBJ goalies
- Flames close to acquiring Kreider
- Gaudreau will be dealt in 21 off season
- teased he had a “big update” on Gaudreau that never came

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by DiracSpike

Anything's possible but I think it's pretty clear at this point that JG is going to explore free agency. The smart move from the Flames would be to do what Sutter did that one year when he traded for like one week of exclusive negotiating rights for JayBo and he said "here's this offer from us, take it or leave it". You have to exert the only leverage you have (had) which was exclusive negotiating rights and have some incentive to get him to not explore a large positive factor of free agency of having a bunch of times bid for you. The smart move from the flames would be to offer him their max, tell him it's their max offer, and say they'd still be interested in signing him once free agency starts but he won't get as much as they're offering him now. It doesn't make any sense to start low, why would he sign a lowball offer from the one team he's ever played for just weeks away from UFA.

Maybe they did that? At the end of the day we have no idea what's really going on. We have no idea if they made a low ball offer? And we certainly have no idea of what is going on between Treliving and Johnny/his agent to suggest anything in the way of how to better negotiate this.

I do understand that giving someone an ultimatum when that person has most of the leverage can backfire in a hurry.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by bax

NRD isn’t legit at all. He has never broken a deal. Just throws a lot of mud at the wall and then when something actually sticks claims he had it early when an actual insider inevitably breaks the news.

Just Flames related in the past 2 years he has claimed:

- leader to land Palmieri at the deadline (despite us being sellers)
- going after Granlund from Nashville (despite us being sellers)
- Kuemper to Calgary is imminent
- Flames in on CBJ goalies
- Flames close to acquiring Kreider
- Gaudreau will be dealt in 21 off season
- teased he had a “big update” on Gaudreau that never came

He has broken a lot of news over the last couple years or pointed to when he mentioned a rumor before the insiders released it. 50k followers

I don’t remember reading any of the tidbits you said above.

[Bingo]

The problem with hockey fans and insiders will always be the way they're measured.

If something doesn't happen does that mean the rumour was false? Most fans would assume yes to that, but it's not really fair.

There are plenty of insiders that make stuff up for sure, but I'm sure there are a dozen transactions a year that Treliving is looking into that don't come to fruition. Talking to Toronto about Kadri was a legit rumour for example even if it didn't happen.

The key is sorting out the wrong because they're making stuff up from the wrong because the deal didn't happen but was discussed.

[bax]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

He has broken a lot of news over the last couple years or pointed to when he mentioned a rumor before the insiders released it. 50k followers

I don’t remember reading any of the tidbits you said above.

Really? Can you point me to one thing that he’s broken? It’s typically just him rehashing rumors that make sense or are already out there.

Then Friedman, or Seravelli, or whoever will actually break the news and then he points back to his rumor post and says “see! I knew it!”. He comes across as very juvenile.

Not to mention he sells t shirts with his twitter name on it lol. There is a reason why he was begging barstool to take him on as their “insider” and now they completely ignore him.