Matthew Tkachuk & Johnny Gaudreau Signing Watch Thread

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by CaptainYooh

Father of my daughter's best friend is a former Flame. He told me yesterday that most of the Flames alumni here think Johnny will re-sign with Calgary this week. I still don't believe this but for what it's worth, that's what people "in the know" think.

I'm not worried. Been certain he's re-signing since the winter.

Johnny is a loyal guy who is invested in this group. He just wants to get a nicer slice of cake than he did on his last contract and I don't blame him. You have to run the clock down to attain the most leverage in these negotiations. If you make it look like you're willing to walk away, that's how you get the best possible deal for you.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by OptimalTates

Well except that he has an 8 team trade list and the teams that don’t care about the cap or trying to reach the floor are likely not on it.

Would be awesome if a team like Arizona was as I’m sure they’d love Lucic but I doubt Lucic wants to go there.

Lucic has already waived once for expansion. I’m sure he’ll waive to almost anywhere that will play him. It’s for less than a year.

And lots of older players love Arizona, competitive or not. Shane Doan once tried to sue to say his NMC prevented AZ from leaving town with him as part of the team.

[Vinny01]

Ryan Leslie has been a believer Johnny will walk and implies as much in this interview.

https://twitter.com/ringoffirecgy/st...ihawR_UvhcAVNw

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Lucic has already waived once for expansion. I’m sure he’ll waive to almost anywhere that will play him. It’s for less than a year.

And lots of older players love Arizona, competitive or not. Shane Doan once tried to sue to say his NMC prevented AZ from leaving town with him as part of the team.

I'm sure I'm not alone in this sentiment, but I hope he comes back here in some capacity. Maybe a year or two on a 4th line contract and then a position in the org where he gets to be around and work with the players.

[mile]

Chris Johnston on his show a few days ago said he wasn't totally convinced that Gaudreau will hit the market, and doesn't think that going back east is necessarily a huge priority for Gaudreau

[Roof-Daddy]

I imagine the flames tabled their offer, stressed how important it is to them that Johnny return, and that they have some wiggle room on the AAV. They probably also said that they would need to know by the draft if he's going to accept their offer (or submit a counter) or if he's going to test the market.

So IMO if he isn't signed by the draft then he is going to market and the Flames will be active players when free agency opens.

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Ryan Leslie has been a believer Johnny will walk and implies as much in this interview.

https://twitter.com/ringoffirecgy/st...ihawR_UvhcAVNw

Interesting… doubtful that he actually knows anything IMO as he’s hedging pretty hard.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

If anyone(outside of his immediate family) really knew if Johnny was staying or going, it would get released pretty quickly.

I think if Johnny knew he was definitely leaving he'd tell Treliving right away.

I still think there's a chance he could do either.

That would be tampering.

Johnny is not supposed to know what his offers are until July 13.

Try to provide an example where a top player waits until after the deadline and then goes and signs with his old team.

You have to think that there is some sort of indication, at least a don't sign with the Flames until you get to see our offer, that has made its way to someone on Gaudreau's or the agent's outer circle to provide plausible deniability for tampering.

It just is accidental that there are so many HUGE contracts signed in the first couple of hours of UFA.

[GioforPM]

The easy position for local guys like Leslie (and on this site) is to predict he's going. Then if he does you were right and if he doesn't you can be all relieved and happy you were wrong.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

That would be tampering.

Johnny is not supposed to know what his offers are until July 13.

Try to provide an example where a top player waits until after the deadline and then goes and signs with his old team.

You have to think that there is some sort of indication, at least a don't sign with the Flames until you get to see our offer, that has made its way to someone on Gaudreau's or the agent's outer circle to provide plausible deniability for tampering.

It just is accidental that there are so many HUGE contracts signed in the first couple of hours of UFA.

What did I say that is considered tampering?

Johnny may have decided he's leaving Calgary without knowing what offers might be there.

I guess he would just need to have faith that some team will make a decent offer to the best UFA to hit the market in years.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

That would be tampering.

Johnny is not supposed to know what his offers are until July 13.

Try to provide an example where a top player waits until after the deadline and then goes and signs with his old team.

You have to think that there is some sort of indication, at least a don't sign with the Flames until you get to see our offer, that has made its way to someone on Gaudreau's or the agent's outer circle to provide plausible deniability for tampering.

It just is accidental that there are so many HUGE contracts signed in the first couple of hours of UFA.

How is it tampering if Johnny says he is leaving?

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by VilleN

Interesting… doubtful that he actually knows anything IMO as he’s hedging pretty hard.

It's just his opinion, based on his gut more than anything.

[Johnny Makarov]

Any word from Johnny's realtor?

When Kwahi left Toronto fans saw him buying moving boxes from Home Depot.

Get on it CP!

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

What did I say that is considered tampering?

Johnny may have decided he's leaving Calgary without knowing what offers might be there.

I guess he would just need to have faith that some team will make a decent offer to the best UFA to hit the market in years.

I think it is pretty obvious that contracts with other teams get discussed prior to actually becoming a free agent. When they are signing minutes after becoming a free agent, I find it hard to believe that there weren't discussions ahead of time.

I don't think it is always tampering though. If a player makes it clear they want to test the market, the team holding the rights has no incentive to forbid them or their agents from feeling out other teams ahead of time. By letting them talk to other teams, it could be a last ditch effort to show them that the grass isn't greener or to match whatever other teams are pitching..

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Lucic has already waived once for expansion. I’m sure he’ll waive to almost anywhere that will play him. It’s for less than a year.

And lots of older players love Arizona, competitive or not. Shane Doan once tried to sue to say his NMC prevented AZ from leaving town with him as part of the team.

Waiving for the expansion, where there is zero reason why Seattle would pick him, is a far cry from waving for actual trade.

But I expect Lucic will be reasonable as long as he's not being sent to Siberia.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

How is it tampering if Johnny says he is leaving?

If he goes to Treliving and says he is going how does he know that the Flames do not have the best offer.

He is not supposed to know what he will get offered. He finds out that the best offer is 8M x 3 years then he really would glad to jump back to the Flames at 9.5 x 8.

Right now he either has or fully expects that there will be a better offer coming his way on July 13.... but he is not supposed to know for sure.

Taylor Hall thought he was getting a lot of huge offers when he had to settle for the 1 yr x 8 Buffalo deal.

No one answered: What top player waited until the deadline and then signed back with his current team?

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

If he goes to Treliving and says he is going how does he know that the Flames do not have the best offer.

He is not supposed to know what he will get offered. He finds out that the best offer is 8M x 3 years then he really would glad to jump back to the Flames at 9.5 x 8.

Right now he either has or fully expects that there will be a better offer coming his way on July 13.... but he is not supposed to know for sure.

Taylor Hall thought he was getting a lot of huge offers when he had to settle for the 1 yr x 8 Buffalo deal.

No one answered: What top player waited until the deadline and then signed back with his current team?

Who says he has to sign the best offer? If he wants to leave he wants to leave. He will get big money no doubt on the 13th.

If he wants to play closer to home the Flames can offer him all the money in the world but it doesn’t get him closer to Philly.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Waiving for the expansion, where there is zero reason why Seattle would pick him, is a far cry from waving for actual trade.

But I expect Lucic will be reasonable as long as he's not being sent to Siberia.

Did he also have to waive to be traded to the Flames? I honestly can't recall.

[CaptainYooh]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

I'm not worried. Been certain he's re-signing since the winter.

Johnny is a loyal guy who is invested in this group. He just wants to get a nicer slice of cake than he did on his last contract and I don't blame him. You have to run the clock down to attain the most leverage in these negotiations. If you make it look like you're willing to walk away, that's how you get the best possible deal for you.

See, I don't share this view at all. Counting on NHL superstar players having loyalties to a club is probably a bit naive. There are just too many factors at play and money/term is not the biggest factor, because, they will get relatively same contract elsewhere. Pretty much all players I've spoken too in the past mostly value cities that they want to live in, cities that their wives like to live in, teams that have players they know and like to play with and coaches they don't have a negative experience with/view of. Being close to parents and/or friends is a factor too. Loyalty to an organization is much more important to 3rd-4th line players, who have expectations of being treated nicely by it when the time comes. Superstar players don't usually need this kind of reassurances/safety net.

Two months ago, I was 100% certain that Johnny was going to Philadelphia or Jersey (new house, young wife, parents, being a fan of Philly since birth, Guy being a coach there etc. - that is a lot of telltale pointers!). This conversation/opinion yesterday was a surprise to me. Happy to be wrong. But at the same time, this would be a massive $80M+/- contract for a player who has yet to prove he's worth it in the playoffs. If he leaves, that is a big cap room to work with for Treliving.

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

If he goes to Treliving and says he is going how does he know that the Flames do not have the best offer.

He is not supposed to know what he will get offered. He finds out that the best offer is 8M x 3 years then he really would glad to jump back to the Flames at 9.5 x 8.

Right now he either has or fully expects that there will be a better offer coming his way on July 13.... but he is not supposed to know for sure.

Taylor Hall thought he was getting a lot of huge offers when he had to settle for the 1 yr x 8 Buffalo deal.

No one answered: What top player waited until the deadline and then signed back with his current team?

I could be wrong. But didn’t Stamkos sign after the deadline?
Moot point, he’ll sign this week for 8 years at 9.5 per.