[Trade] Toffoli to Flames for 2022 1st *, 2023 5th, Heineman, and Pitlick

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

"DeRp! i TolD u gUys tHe flaMeS wOuldN't Win tHe CuP!"

Congratulations there Nostradamus. Really went out on a limb with that one.

It’s interesting following the logic of some posters who seem to believe that 30/32 teams should be in a constant state of rebuild, despite the fact that there have been plenty of occasions even recently where conference and cup winners were not considered the favourite. If these people were in charge, those teams would never have made the finals or won the cup.

Just shows a profound lack of hockey knowledge. Which is fine, not like I’m an expert, but it’s kind of rare to see super casual and new fans here talking about how hockey teams ought to be run, especially without understanding the game.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

It’s interesting following the logic of some posters who seem to believe that 30/32 teams should be in a constant state of rebuild, despite the fact that there have been plenty of occasions even recently where conference and cup winners were not considered the favourite. If these people were in charge, those teams would never have made the finals or won the cup.

Just shows a profound lack of hockey knowledge. Which is fine, not like I’m an expert, but it’s kind of rare to see super casual and new fans here talking about how hockey teams ought to be run, especially without understanding the game.

I am a poster who thought the Flames should have blown it up a couple years ago, I didn't think they had a very good roster and it's key players were aging and/or getting more expensive. Plus it had some big holes in it too.

The Flames didn't win the cup, but I can admit that I was 100% wrong about this team not being very good when I watch them put up a 111 points and dominate in all the fancy stats and possession stats after adding size, toughness and an actual good coach.

Just because they didn't win the cup doesn't mean they should have blown it up. They had a goddamn good team and did the right thing going for it.

But yeah, it's funny to watch the idiots running around now bumping threads with their moronic "I told you so's" because the most likely thing to happen, happened.

[jjgallow]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

It’s interesting following the logic of some posters who seem to believe that 30/32 teams should be in a constant state of rebuild, despite the fact that there have been plenty of occasions even recently where conference and cup winners were not considered the favourite. If these people were in charge, those teams would never have made the finals or won the cup.

Just shows a profound lack of hockey knowledge. Which is fine, not like I’m an expert, but it’s kind of rare to see super casual and new fans here talking about how hockey teams ought to be run, especially without understanding the game.

You might be interested to know that not sacrificing the future of the club is a pretty key, if not The key factor in avoiding rebuilds.

So everyone here who is cool with handing out draft picks so they can have their sugar high heading into the playoffs.....them getting their fix is actually what creates rebuilds.

The more you know...

[jjgallow]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

"DeRp! i TolD u gUys tHe flaMeS wOuldN't Win tHe CuP!"

Congratulations there Nostradamus. Really went out on a limb with that one.

I am assuming you're congratulating BT who made the gamble. I'm merely pointing that out to all the people who blindly followed.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by jjgallow

I am assuming you're congratulating BT who made the gamble. I'm merely pointing that out to all the people who blindly followed.

You're obviously not smart enough to figure out what I'm saying, which isn't surprising seeing as what I'm saying is simple.

[jjgallow]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

You're obviously not smart enough to figure out what I'm saying, which isn't surprising seeing as what I'm saying is simple.

I think you're saying it was obvious to everyone that wasting a first round pick in the trade deadline sweepstakes was a poorly thought out low percentage move with little outcome for success.

But I'm a jerk for pointing it out

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by jjgallow

The more you know...

Much more than you, obviously. You are so myopically fixated on this trivial point about the Toffoli trade that you are incapable of seeing clearly what most posters here have realized: that there are ebbs and flows in NHL hockey.

No one is subscribing to your infantile nonsense.

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[jjgallow]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Much more than you, obviously. You are so myopically fixated on this trivial point about the Toffoli trade that you are incapable of seeing clearly what most posters here have realized: that there are ebbs and flows in NHL hockey.

No one is subscribing to your infantile nonsense.

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I guess the last 33 years are an ebb then

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I am a poster who thought the Flames should have blown it up a couple years ago, I didn't think they had a very good roster and it's key players were aging and/or getting more expensive. Plus it had some big holes in it too.

The Flames didn't win the cup, but I can admit that I was 100% wrong about this team not being very good when I watch them put up a 111 points and dominate in all the fancy stats and possession stats after adding size, toughness and an actual good coach.

Just because they didn't win the cup doesn't mean they should have blown it up. They had a goddamn good team and did the right thing going for it.

But yeah, it's funny to watch the idiots running around now bumping threads with their moronic "I told you so's" because the most likely thing to happen, happened.

It's not that they didn't win, it's that they got dominated by the Oilers, a team who was dominated by the Avs. So while they did have a good season, they're nowhere near elite. They won a single round and were one shot away from being eliminated in the 1st found to probably the weakest team in the playoffs.

Then you need to look at the team moving forward and think the team likely gets worse next year on paper, not better. Does everyone have career years again? Likely not. So where is this team actually heading?

So just because they had one strong season, I'm not convinced they're on the right trajectory. Last season might be the blip, like we've seen a few times recently. They have a strong year with a new coach, but then go back to their old ways because ultimately they aren't a top end team.

They also have a lot of question marks moving forward. UFA's, RFA's, increasing salaries, etc. Decisions cannot be made based on last season alone, and I really don't think last season has changed much. All it showed was they underachieved under poor coaching, but coaching can only take you so far.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Hackey

It's not that they didn't win, it's that they got dominated by the Oilers, a team who was dominated by the Avs. So while they did have a good season, they're nowhere near elite. They won a single round and were one shot away from being eliminated in the 1st found to probably the weakest team in the playoffs.

Then you need to look at the team moving forward and think the team likely gets worse next year on paper, not better. Does everyone have career years again? Likely not. So where is this team actually heading?

So just because they had one strong season, I'm not convinced they're on the right trajectory. Last season might be the blip, like we've seen a few times recently. They have a strong year with a new coach, but then go back to their old ways because ultimately they aren't a top end team.

They also have a lot of question marks moving forward. UFA's, RFA's, increasing salaries, etc. Decisions cannot be made based on last season alone, and I really don't think last season has changed much. All it showed was they underachieved under poor coaching, but coaching can only take you so far.

#### happens. They lost to the oilers with their two best defensive defensmen decimated by injuries or not even in the line up, and their goalie playing like a slice of swiss cheese. Despite that they still had the lead in just about every game, and 4 of the 5 games were tied half way through the third. I'm not even going to get into the tilted ice thanks to the league/officiating agenda.

They were still a very good team and made the right move going for it. And this is coming from a poster who is still pissed that they didn't sell at the deadline in the bubble year and then thought they should have blown it up later in that off season after Dallas knocked them off.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Hackey

It's not that they didn't win, it's that they got dominated by the Oilers, a team who was dominated by the Avs. So while they did have a good season, they're nowhere near elite. They won a single round and were one shot away from being eliminated in the 1st found to probably the weakest team in the playoffs.

Then you need to look at the team moving forward and think the team likely gets worse next year on paper, not better. Does everyone have career years again? Likely not. So where is this team actually heading?

So just because they had one strong season, I'm not convinced they're on the right trajectory. Last season might be the blip, like we've seen a few times recently. They have a strong year with a new coach, but then go back to their old ways because ultimately they aren't a top end team.

They also have a lot of question marks moving forward. UFA's, RFA's, increasing salaries, etc. Decisions cannot be made based on last season alone, and I really don't think last season has changed much. All it showed was they underachieved under poor coaching, but coaching can only take you so far.

The question is not what happened (and they didn’t get dominated). The question is what were they looking like at the TDL.

[Jason14h]

Getting JG and MT to sign also requires the franchise to show they are serious about winning

I’m sure that was a big part of the trades too

[handgroen]

The told ya so guy has posted like 25 times in the last few days in this thread.

Trolled ya so indeed, just keep in mind you’re also wasting your own life too dude.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

#### happens. They lost to the oilers with their two best defensive defensmen decimated by injuries or not even in the line up, and their goalie playing like a slice of swiss cheese. Despite that they still had the lead in just about every game, and 4 of the 5 games were tied half way through the third. I'm not even going to get into the tilted ice thanks to the league/officiating agenda.

They were still a very good team and made the right move going for it. And this is coming from a poster who is still pissed that they didn't sell at the deadline in the bubble year and then thought they should have blown it up later in that off season after Dallas knocked them off.

They lost 4/5 games, plain and simple. You can make every excuse in the book, but good teams find a way to win. Every team deals with injuries. Good players rise to the occasion. Draisaitl was injured and put up 17 pts in 5 games. Tampa was banged up way worse than the Flames and made it to the finals. The Avs had more injuries than the Flames.

And if you want to make every excuse for the Flames and give no credit to the Oilers, then sure. But that still doesn't change the fact that the Stars were a shot away from eliminating the Flames in the first round. That is a very average team.

Going for it at the deadline of course made sense. But the holes in this team have been apparent for years, and last season didn't change that. And it doesn't change the outlook moving forward.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Hackey

They lost 4/5 games, plain and simple. You can make every excuse in the book, but good teams find a way to win. Every team deals with injuries. Good players rise to the occasion. Draisaitl was injured and put up 17 pts in 5 games. Tampa was banged up way worse than the Flames and made it to the finals. The Avs had more injuries than the Flames.

And if you want to make every excuse for the Flames and give no credit to the Oilers, then sure. But that still doesn't change the fact that the Stars were a shot away from eliminating the Flames in the first round. That is a very average team.

Going for it at the deadline of course made sense. But the holes in this team have been apparent for years, and last season didn't change that. And it doesn't change the outlook moving forward.

Jesus. Why didn't someone obliterate the cripple. He could only coast around out there.

That's ####ing embarrassing.

Markstrom needs to answer the bell vs EDM next season.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Hackey

They lost 4/5 games, plain and simple.

No, it's not just plain and simple.

[GioforPM]

Troll thanks Hackey because he thinks he agreed with him. Except he didn’t agree with the premise at all.

[djsFlames]

A win was stolen, there is no debating that.

3-2, all things being equal. We don't know the outcome beyond that. Could've swung, could've been more of the same.

[bax]

Originally Posted by Hackey

They lost 4/5 games, plain and simple. You can make every excuse in the book, but good teams find a way to win. Every team deals with injuries. Good players rise to the occasion. Draisaitl was injured and put up 17 pts in 5 games. Tampa was banged up way worse than the Flames and made it to the finals. The Avs had more injuries than the Flames.

And if you want to make every excuse for the Flames and give no credit to the Oilers, then sure. But that still doesn't change the fact that the Stars were a shot away from eliminating the Flames in the first round. That is a very average team.

Going for it at the deadline of course made sense. But the holes in this team have been apparent for years, and last season didn't change that. And it doesn't change the outlook moving forward.

Yes the Stars are a very average team, but you can’t gloss over the fact they also had a historical goaltender performance. Literally one of the best series played by a goalie ever

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Markstrom needs to answer the bell vs EDM next season.

They all do. That chokejob was a team effort. Much like 2019 there weren't too many players who didn't play like ass.