Alberta Politics & Government Thread 3.0

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Delgar

See post 383, I was called a "con for life".

So, yes, I was called a name, it was not civil, and I launched back. Then those who disagree with my political views pile on. And at no point was I was I defending the UCP. I said I didn't like the NDP now I'm a villain.

Wow so thin skinned. Prob best you don't post here anymore. Thank god I didn't call you a lemming!

Plus you wont' find any posters with reading comprehension problems on youtube.

[Tron_fdc]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

It wasn't hated by most Albertans because most Albertans probably wouldn't even know what the PPA was. Yes, it was a screw up, I think most people aware of PPA's acknowledge that. But I'll take 10 PPA's over another UCP term.

No you wouldn't. Trust me. I wouldn't take one let alone 10.

Selling off Alberta's generating capacity to the retailers who deliver it to end users was a generational F-up by the conservatives. IIRC the government collected around a billion dollars for it, and created a duopoly where Enmax and Epcor were given a license to print money through the outright GOUGING of Albertans that still happens to this day. It's gross.

It should be a case study on what NOT to do when you privatize something. The NDP knew it was a horrible deal; they just didn't know how to roll it back.

[timun]

Originally Posted by Delgar

I don't hold documents, I know where they are, I could easily get them via FOIP or even just asking, because they're not necessarily public restricted they just haven't been looked at by journalists who could also get them. I don't have any present access different from any other person, but I also know the records are available, if someone cares.

What surprises me is that no one seems to care.

I care; please provide these documents, as I don't know where to look/how to ask otherwise.

[BlackArcher101]

Originally Posted by timun

I care; please provide these documents, as I don't know where to look/how to ask otherwise.

This. If they are available just by simply asking because they haven't been publicly restricted, then why not just tell us what's in them. If you are afraid to, then tell us what to FOIP against, who to ask, or even better... send a tip to a journalist to do it. Pretty F'd to say no one cares when we don't know what we need to care about, because it isn't in the public eye.

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Wow so thin skinned. Prob best you don't post here anymore. Thank god I didn't call you a lemming!

Plus you wont' find any posters with reading comprehension problems on youtube.

How about you’re a nobody and if someone wants to post on this thread they don’t need your permission?

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Tron_fdc

No you wouldn't. Trust me. I wouldn't take one let alone 10.

Selling off Alberta's generating capacity to the retailers who deliver it to end users was a generational F-up by the conservatives. IIRC the government collected around a billion dollars for it, and created a duopoly where Enmax and Epcor were given a license to print money through the outright GOUGING of Albertans that still happens to this day. It's gross.

It should be a case study on what NOT to do when you privatize something. The NDP knew it was a horrible deal; they just didn't know how to roll it back.

Aren’t Enmax and Epcot wholly owned by the city of Calgary and Edmonton so still just crown corps so any gouging just is returned in dividends to the city? I could be wrong though

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Yoho

How about you’re a nobody and if someone wants to post on this thread they don’t need your permission?

Reading comprehension... haha

He said he didn't want to post anymore on here because he was being "ATTACKED"!!!! woah.

and chill dude.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by GGG

Aren’t Enmax and Epcot wholly owned by the city of Calgary and Edmonton so still just crown corps so any gouging just is returned in dividends to the city? I could be wrong though

Edmonton does not own Disney World...

[Delgar]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Reading comprehension... haha

He said he didn't want to post anymore on here because he was being "ATTACKED"!!!! woah.

and chill dude.

Again, reading comprehension is not a skill you've invested in. I never said what you just typed. Maybe read more carefully.

You seem to import things that you want to read despite that those things aren't there.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Delgar

Again, reading comprehension is not a skill you've invested in. I never said what you just typed. Maybe read more carefully.

You seem to import things that you want to read despite that those things aren't there.

why the hell would I invest in reading all the hot air you are spewing.... lol

[Delgar]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

why the hell would I invest in reading all the hot air you are spewing.... lol

I'm not sure how you can say that, as you aren't understanding it and putting things in that you make up in your own mind. If you admit you don't read it, don't respond to it.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Locke

Edmonton does not own Disney World...

I’m pretty sure they tried though and Disney made them change the name.

[accord1999]

Originally Posted by Tron_fdc

Selling off Alberta's generating capacity to the retailers who deliver it to end users was a generational F-up by the conservatives. IIRC the government collected around a billion dollars for it, and created a duopoly where Enmax and Epcor were given a license to print money through the outright GOUGING of Albertans that still happens to this day. It's gross.

The Government of Alberta has never owned significant amounts of electricity generation; they have always been owned by private companies like TransAlta, ATCO or municipal controlled companies like EPCOR and Enmax.

What Alberta did in 1990s and early 2000s was deregulation, not privatization.

[Tron_fdc]

Originally Posted by accord1999

The Government of Alberta has never owned significant amounts of electricity generation; they have always been owned by private companies like TransAlta, ATCO or municipal controlled companies like EPCOR and Enmax.

What Alberta did in 1990s and early 2000s was deregulation, not privatization.

What are you talking about?

https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB967159556368862862

They deregulated the industry by auctioning off government owned assets to private industry, of which only 3 bothered to bid on it (Enmax, Epcor, Enron). Hence privatization.

[Tron_fdc]

Originally Posted by GGG

Aren’t Enmax and Epcot wholly owned by the city of Calgary and Edmonton so still just crown corps so any gouging just is returned in dividends to the city? I could be wrong though

Yes. Enmax and Epcor print money for the city.

Transmission and distribution rates are also set by the city.

[timun]

T&D rates are set by the AUC.

[accord1999]

Originally Posted by Tron_fdc

What are you talking about?

https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB967159556368862862

They deregulated the industry by auctioning off government owned assets to private industry, of which only 3 bothered to bid on it (Enmax, Epcor, Enron). Hence privatization.

Those are power contracts, not generation assets. Alberta didn't own the power plants, they just had contracts for their output.

Unlike most provinces in Canada, the Alberta government has never owned and operated a utility company. Historically, Alberta was primarily served by three vertically integrated utilities, covering the province in defined service territories. Electricity rates were set by a central regulator using a cost-of-service model.

The evolution to a deregulated market began in 1996, when the Power Pool of Alberta was created to dispatch energy across Alberta through a real-time energy market. The goal of this market was to encourage efficiencies by introducing competition in the electricity generation sector. The market was set up for energy to be dispatched through an economic merit order with a single equilibrium price.

The market evolved to full deregulation in 2001, following the auction of Power Purchase Arrangements (PPAs) in 2000. PPAs allowed the existing utility owners to continue to own and operate their facilities, but auctioned the dispatch rights of the associated energy to new buyers. This framework provided a competitive landscape by immediately introducing new players into the market.

https://www.aeso.ca/aeso/continuing-...ricity-market/

[Muta]

Can someone explain to me again how the UCP removing insurance caps helped the average Albertan? I’m genuinely curious to know why, and what the government told us was the benefit?

[BlackArcher101]

Originally Posted by Muta

Can someone explain to me again how the UCP removing insurance caps helped the average Albertan? I’m genuinely curious to know why, and what the government told us was the benefit?

It didn't, but the switch to the DCPD system this year supposedly did.

[Amethyst]

Originally Posted by Muta

Can someone explain to me again how the UCP removing insurance caps helped the average Albertan? I’m genuinely curious to know why, and what the government told us was the benefit?

Did you mistakenly think the UCP intended to do things to help the average Albertan?