Matthew Tkachuk & Johnny Gaudreau Signing Watch Thread

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

The team was much better than everyone thought it would be, but I feel I’ve been pretty consistent. To win a Stanley Cup you pretty much need the foundational picks that this team has not made. The Stanley Cup Champions this season yet again showed that.

I’m all for signing Johnny and Chucky and running it back (although Tree needs to find a way to sign Johnny and Chucky AND improve the roster), but if we lose Johnny or Johnny and Chucky then what hope is left?

You have definitely been consistent on this point.

Personally, I doubt the Flames rebuild any time soon, under any situation.
But it would be slightly more likely at the end of next season if Tkachuk leaves and Sutter's contract expires.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

You have definitely been consistent on this point.

Personally, I doubt the Flames rebuild any time soon, under any situation.
But it would be slightly more likely at the end of next season if Tkachuk leaves and Sutter's contract expires.

If Tkachuk just leaves after next season (not traded or signed long term). I think that will cripple the fan base. The team can't possibly think that's acceptable. They probably would be looking at empty seats and a lethargic fan base. The support by the base for a new areana would also likely decline.

I think this off season is just so important for the team. Not as dire as the team moving or anything. But they could see a lot of disinterest for a 3 or 4 year period if it plays out this way.

[442scotty]

Treliving must have a deadline where things have to get sorted out prior to the draft. Gaudreau must surely know what he intends to do by this weekend. Wouldn’t be surprised if things started shaking out July 1.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by 442scotty

Treliving must have a deadline where things have to get sorted out prior to the draft. Gaudreau must surely know what he intends to do by this weekend. Wouldn’t be surprised if things started shaking out July 1.

It makes sense to me that nothing will be done until they can assess their market value by talking to other teams. I thought that started the second week of July.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by 442scotty

Treliving must have a deadline where things have to get sorted out prior to the draft. Gaudreau must surely know what he intends to do by this weekend. Wouldn’t be surprised if things started shaking out July 1.

I still think any "deadline" is a week away at least. And really besides signing guys he should be singing I doubt any deadline will be enforced.

[madmike]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

You have definitely been consistent on this point.

Personally, I doubt the Flames rebuild any time soon, under any situation.
But it would be slightly more likely at the end of next season if Tkachuk leaves and Sutter's contract expires.

If Gaudreau leaves and Tkachuk doesn't sign a long-term deal, the rebuild is on whether the Flames like it or not.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by madmike

If Gaudreau leaves and Tkachuk doesn't sign a long-term deal, the rebuild is on whether the Flames like it or not.

hope you ready to draft 12th overall for half a decade

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

hope you ready to draft 12th overall for half a decade

Well that has been the Flames way at times. But just because that's happened doesn't mean it has to again. Team can sell of a lot of assets and if they commit to a proper rebuild they can definitely draft top 3 multiple times.

I think a lot of the team will be itching to leave if Johnny walks and Tkachuck is moved. Guys like Markstrom, Tanev,Backlund and then hanifin and Coleman ect will want a chance to win.

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

Well that has been the Flames way at times. But just because that's happened doesn't mean it has to again. Team can sell of a lot of assets and if they commit to a proper rebuild they can definitely draft top 3 multiple times.

I think a lot of the team will be itching to leave if Johnny walks and Tkachuck is moved. Guys like Markstrom, Tanev,Backlund and then hanifin and Coleman ect will want a chance to win.

Your points above + the hire of Sutter and his verbal acknowledgment of wanting redemption for 2004 are the reason this team wont be "rebuilding" any time soon (next 2-3 years)

Even if Johnny/Tkachuk leave, the Flames will be forced to bring in more UFA's to try and push the window. Not that I agree with it at all, but its pretty clear they have no plan for a rebuild any time soon.

Goalie in his Prime
Core on value contracts currently
Lots of veteran depth

The only negative aspect is Johnny being a UFA now and Matthew an RFA with 9M qualifying offer and what's seemingly become a 'higher' chance we could lose one or both.

That's my only knock on Brad right now, we went into this season w/ Sutter at the helm and burned a bunch of picks to bring in depth scoring etc but had no real "plan" in place for Johnny and Matthew. Now we're effectively a week away from the draft and still 0 news on our 2 biggest question marks.

Scary stuff.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by madmike

If Gaudreau leaves and Tkachuk doesn't sign a long-term deal, the rebuild is on whether the Flames like it or not.

That would time it to be the off-season after this one, which may make sense as that's when Sutter's contract is up.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Your points above + the hire of Sutter and his verbal acknowledgment of wanting redemption for 2004 are the reason this team wont be "rebuilding" any time soon (next 2-3 years)

Even if Johnny/Tkachuk leave, the Flames will be forced to bring in more UFA's to try and push the window. Not that I agree with it at all, but its pretty clear they have no plan for a rebuild any time soon.

Goalie in his Prime
Core on value contracts currently
Lots of veteran depth

The only negative aspect is Johnny being a UFA now and Matthew an RFA with 9M qualifying offer and what's seemingly become a 'higher' chance we could lose one or both.

That's my only knock on Brad right now, we went into this season w/ Sutter at the helm and burned a bunch of picks to bring in depth scoring etc but had no real "plan" in place for Johnny and Matthew. Now we're effectively a week away from the draft and still 0 news on our 2 biggest question marks.

Scary stuff.

The Sutter thing is irrelevant to me. If the team starts s rebuild he will most likely retire. If they go out and try and build through UFA they are just going to be mediocre then ruin the entry level deals of Coranato, Pelletier and Zary (and probably a few others). If Johnny walks and Tkachuk won't sign long term deals it's just so stupid to pretend we are in a "window to win".

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

The Sutter thing is irrelevant to me. If the team starts s rebuild he will most likely retire. If they go out and try and build through UFA they are just going to be mediocre then ruin the entry level deals of Coranato, Pelletier and Zary (and probably a few others). If Johnny walks and Tkachuk won't sign long term deals it's just so stupid to pretend we are in a "window to win".

I appreciate your input, however the reality is the Sutter hire is not irrelevant.
He isn't just going to walk away from millions of dollars because of a rebuild, I can almost assure you he was told the Flames will be "pushing for a cup" as part of his hire and the reason he signed for 3 years.

With that said, I 100% agree it would be absolutely crippling to try and extend a window after losing your 2 biggest stars, but as we've seen by this franchise NUMEROUS times its almost guaranteed to happen again. When was the last time this team tore down its core and went full rebuild? Has it ever?

This franchise is notorious for signing mid tier UFA's and trying to extend windows beyond its reach (almost every season Iginla played after the 2004 cup run)

Its not a successful way to build a cup winning franchise, at least not in the modern day as we've seen with Tamp, Colorado etc. You need to fail, get lucky with top 3 draft spots and build/develop internally. This is why this offseason is insanely terrifying, we're in a bad spot going into the draft here.. and that's an understatement.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

The team was much better than everyone thought it would be, but I feel I’ve been pretty consistent. To win a Stanley Cup you pretty much need the foundational picks that this team has not made. The Stanley Cup Champions this season yet again showed that.

I’m all for signing Johnny and Chucky and running it back (although Tree needs to find a way to sign Johnny and Chucky AND improve the roster), but if we lose Johnny or Johnny and Chucky then what hope is left?

Does it really matter when a player is picked?

2011- Gaudreau is far better than first overall Nuge and I would say I’d very arguable that he would go #1 in a redraft (probably Kucherov but Johnny is in the mix).

2013- Flames have the 5 and 6 player from that draft. Monahan at times would have been a top 3 but no longer the case. Lindholm however today is likely only behind MacKinnon and Barkov

2016- Chucky is likely second to only Matthews (Flames pick Adam Fox maybe has a case for second)

So the team’s top line is the equivalent of having 3 top 3 picks.

I understand the thought of these guys don’t sign it is time to consider rebuilding but unless our top coach decides to leave that won’t happen.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by Royle9

I appreciate your input, however the reality is the Sutter hire is not irrelevant.
He isn't just going to walk away from millions of dollars because of a rebuild, I can almost assure you he was told the Flames will be "pushing for a cup" as part of his hire and the reason he signed for 3 years.

With that said, I 100% agree it would be absolutely crippling to try and extend a window after losing your 2 biggest stars, but as we've seen by this franchise NUMEROUS times its almost guaranteed to happen again. When was the last time this team tore down its core and went full rebuild? Has it ever?

This franchise is notorious for signing mid tier UFA's and trying to extend windows beyond its reach (almost every season Iginla played after the 2004 cup run)

Its not a successful way to build a cup winning franchise, at least not in the modern day as we've seen with Tamp, Colorado etc. You need to fail, get lucky with top 3 draft spots and build/develop internally. This is why this offseason is insanely terrifying, we're in a bad spot going into the draft here.. and that's an understatement.

Maybe that was a bit flipent about Sutter. I just can't believe he would belive in the over priced UFA's and likely no stars to win.
I think if those 2 players are gone the management has already screwed him over and mislead him on the team.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

That would time it to be the off-season after this one, which may make sense as that's when Sutter's contract is up.

If johnny walks do you think the team can just sign Tkachuk to his 1 year QA?

I know it's my personal feeling, but having Fox, Johnny then Tkachuk spurn the city makes me just feel like giving up. I know 2 of those things hVent happened but it's starting to creep in.

God Coranato is also a concern if this all plays out.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

If johnny walks do you think the team can just sign Tkachuk to his 1 year QA?

I know it's my personal feeling, but having Fox, Johnny then Tkachuk spurn the city makes me just feel like giving up. I know 2 of those things hVent happened but it's starting to creep in.

God Coranato is also a concern if this all plays out.

It's not the team's choice. It's Tkachuk's decision as to whether he signs the QA.
So if that's the route he takes then I think you start to consider moving him.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

It's not the team's choice. It's Tkachuk's decision as to whether he signs the QA.
So if that's the route he takes then I think you start to consider moving him.

Ya that's what I think. If he isn't willing to negotiate a reasonable long term deal you move him before the QA is locked in.

Ugh I'm sorry if I seem so down guys, just feels like we always take gut punches as Flames fans.

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

If johnny walks do you think the team can just sign Tkachuk to his 1 year QA?

I know it's my personal feeling, but having Fox, Johnny then Tkachuk spurn the city makes me just feel like giving up. I know 2 of those things hVent happened but it's starting to creep in.

God Coranato is also a concern if this all plays out.

I think that's partly why the Flames would pursue high profile UFA's to lighten the blow of Johnny leaving. Guys like Forsberg and potentially Kadri in place of Johhny and Matthew?

Johnny leaves for nothing, we cant stop that.
But if he goes, I'm all for unloading Matthew for a haul of assets rather than keep him for 1 more year.

NJ Fans/media saying they would give up 1 of Mercer/Holtz + the 2nd O/A for Tkachuk seems like the deal I would accept.
We instantly get 2 high profile A+ prospects to our meek pool outside of Coranato.

Use the money to go after Forsberg for sure, and then whatever else we can get to help the team.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

Ya that's what I think. If he isn't willing to negotiate a reasonable long term deal you move him before the QA is locked in.

Ugh I'm sorry if I seem so down guys, just feels like we always take gut punches as Flames fans.

Nothing has even happened yet…

[OptimalTates]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Here is another hole in the Johnny Gaudreau wants to go home theory. Remember when he was asked what would be a good place to play out of if he wasn't in Calgary? Did he answer Philly? Nope. New Jersey? Nope. He didn't even name an Eastern team. He said Nashville because of the country music and the atmosphere. Nashville, nowhere close to home. So are we going to worry about the Predators now too?

What about the time he said it would be pretty sweet to play there?

https://www.nhl.com/news/calgary-fla...ay/c-290470170