Matthew Tkachuk & Johnny Gaudreau Signing Watch Thread

[dustygoon]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Man some of you are not handling this situation well at all. There's nothing on my reply to you implying you were being a dick.

I'm handling it pretty well actually like most. Curious what will happen. It will be what it will be.

But this all started when I poked fun at the fact that Eric Francis saying JG probably stays is actually a bad sign. You took it upon yourself to pick apart some arguments and "inform" us of how legit Seravelli is. It's a little tense around here for some reason. Sorry, but I couldn't let the "inform" comment slip even if it wasn't directed at me.

[Strange Brew]

I would hope at some point the Gaudreau camp would at least signal their intentions so Treliving could try and recoup a pick or something.

It seems weird to me that though that they would go radio silent now if in fact they were willing to negotiate last summer. If they didn’t want to talk then either, well this wouldn’t be a surprise to thr Flames.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I would hope at some point the Gaudreau camp would at least signal their intentions so Treliving could try and recoup a pick or something.

It seems weird to me that though that they would go radio silent now if in fact they were willing to negotiate last summer. If they didn’t want to talk then either, well this wouldn’t be a surprise to thr Flames.

It wouldn’t be much of a pick at this point

[dino7c]

There is no advantage for Gaudreau to do anything now, he gets the Flames best offer and honestly the best he will get anywhere at 11:59 on the doomsday clock

I don't know what's going to happen but I don't think the odds are any different than they were a month ago

[tvp2003]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Zero chance he'd get picked up on waivers, although we can dream.

Not sure you can place an injured player on waivers, I think he has to consent to it first.

That sounds right, this would have to be a situation where the player agrees in order to facilitate the signing of another contract. That said, I'm not sure if Monahan would agree to something like a $2M x 3 years (or that Treliving would offer it); Monahan might want to bet on himself getting healthy, or even may want to sign closer to home himself...

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by tvp2003

Buyout window opens on July 1. One name that I've seen discussed is Sean Monahan, who has one year left at $6.375M (they'd get $4M in relief this year, with $2M added to next year). Obviously buying out Johnny's best friend on the team isn't a great way to get him to re-sign, but what if he subsequently agreed to a multi-year extension (kind of like Michael Stone)? Probably pretty risky for the Flames given Monahan's health, but it could also pay off if he regains some of his old form.

The only problem is that he'd have to go on waivers first; however, I can't see any team picking him up unless they think he'll be healthy to start the season.

They can't buy out Monahan while he's injured.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by tvp2003

That sounds right, this would have to be a situation where the player agrees in order to facilitate the signing of another contract. That said, I'm not sure if Monahan would agree to something like a $2M x 3 years (or that Treliving would offer it); Monahan might want to bet on himself getting healthy, or even may want to sign closer to home himself...

IIRC, a player cannot sign a contract with the same team that buys him out for one year.

Stone eventually did, because he could show after a number of months later that it was obvious no one else wanted him.

[tvp2003]

Ack, well forget it then...

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

IIRC, a player cannot sign a contract with the same team that buys him out for one year.

Stone eventually did, because he could show after a number of months later that it was obvious no one else wanted him.

You can buyout and re-sign a player in one year. The not being able to re-sign them dealio was limited to compliance buyouts.

Michael Stone was allowed to re-sign because there's no rule stating you can't do so.

For one season following a compliance buyout, players were not permitted to rejoin the team which performed the buyout (this restriction does not exist for normal buyouts).

CapFriendly.

I'd suggest that the buyout penalty is generally the reason why teams don't buy players out and then re-sign, also in most cases it likely sours the relationship pretty significantly. It's pretty foolish in 9/10 cases to have a player on your payroll twice.

I'd imagine there is some wording in the CBA though that says teams can't actively commit salary cap manipulation or something so there'd probably be a grievance filed if you bought out a player on a Monday and re-signed them on a Tuesday.

[Moneyhands23]

I think its just a done deal. Johnny is moving on from the Flames.

Sucks...

[Roof-Daddy]

Forsberg only asking for low 8's AAV?

I'd be happy to see the Flames pay him that, maybe it's just me.

Imagine:

1. Signing Johnny for $10.5m AAV
2. Signing Forsberg for $8.5m AAV
3. Trading Tkachuk for Holtz, 2nd OA, Smith (wasn't that what a Devils fan proposed?)

That'd be one hell of an off season IMO

[Hack&Lube]

Losing Johnny also has a demoralizing effect on the rest of the team. Many of the players rightfully look up to his skill and ability in boosting everybody collectively. That has to be accounted for. They'll also see his desire to leave and have it feed into their own motivations for not staying, ie: MT.

[djsFlames]

If you're putting family and security first i think the extra year of a big number contract has to win out.

He won't be a 10 million dollar player at 36-37, but he will get to still earn big bucks at that age by going 8 in Calgary.

They're so used to doing the NJ-Calgary lifestyle at this point i don't see why they would sacrifice that extra dough just for geographical improvement.

And again, Philly and NJ suck right now.

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

I think its just a done deal. Johnny is moving on from the Flames.

Sucks...

Except for the part where no one knows anything one way or another and it’s definitely not a done deal. Otherwise, you’re bang on.

[djsFlames]

Yeah, just like everybody thought Landeskog was signing elsewhere right up into the 11th hour.

Then what happened. Roots and familiarity pay off.

I think I would take every possible minute to think on the idea too. It's a big decision, even if all the logic points to resigning. You want to do your own due diligence for yourself by taking the time to mull it over.

[ResAlien]

Originally Posted by VilleN

Except for the part where no one knows anything one way or another and it’s definitely not a done deal. Otherwise, you’re bang on.

Serious question: why bother being here? Guy said it’s what he thinks. If you’re in the “No one knows anything” camp just go stare at clouds til his decision is announced and we’ll let you know what happens.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

Losing Johnny also has a demoralizing effect on the rest of the team. Many of the players rightfully look up to his skill and ability in boosting everybody collectively. That has to be accounted for. They'll also see his desire to leave and have it feed into their own motivations for not staying, ie: MT.

Guys like Coleman will be gutted

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Yeah, just like everybody thought Landeskog was signing elsewhere right up into the 11th hour.

Then what happened. Roots and familiarity pay off.

I think I would take every possible minute to think on the idea too. It's a big decision, even if all the logic points to resigning. You want to do your own due diligence for yourself by taking the time to mull it over.

I think most people always felt that Landeskog was going back to Colorado all along. It was clear that's where he wanted to be all along.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

I think its just a done deal. Johnny is moving on from the Flames.

Sucks...

Can't say it's 100% a done deal until it's official one way or another. Maybe he has informed the Flames he's moving on and we don't know but usually something like that would leak from a side. It's certainly looking like he may leave but until something is announced one way or another there's still a chance they can make it work as there's a couple of weeks to go. It's just hard to know from our point of view because we have no idea what size of contract the Flames offered and if there's any wiggle money left on the table for back and forth negotiations.

[Mephisto]

I think Johnny will re-up with the Flames. I know it doesn’t seem to be consensus among pundits (and many on this Board), but I feel like people are just trying to build up drama. It won’t be cheap for Flames and it will probably happen just prior to FA or shortly after, but I think he stays.