2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[transplant99]

Cant trade Monny now!!

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[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I see Poe’s comment like tanking is how to win but the top 5 picks were taken 11, 8, and 5 years ago. Rantanen was 7 years ago and was 10th but he has to be one of the best 10th picks of all time taken in a generational draft that is on its way to being as good or better than 2003.

Has a Canadian fanbase been patient enough with top picks to maybe wait 10 years to have a chance to win? Can a Canadian market be patient with a 48pt season 4 years after you take your franchise player 1st overall? Can a Canadian market be patient enough with a disgruntled player to not trade him as long as the Avs held onto Duchene?

Sakic fleeced 3 of his peers in key trades that helped build this team and also nailed their top picks. Not something that any GM could do. Hell I doubt Sakic could do it this good again.

It's not like the Avs were terrible that whole time. They usually made the playoffs and even had a couple of division titles and playoff round victories over that period. I think any fanbase can be patient with results like that.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

It's not like the Avs were terrible that whole time. They usually made the playoffs and even had a couple of division titles and playoff round victories over that period. I think any fanbase can be patient with results like that.

This is true but I look at what happened in 2017 as something that would cause a Canadian team to panic. I just think there is typically more pressure to make moves like the Duchene trade and are not afforded the same patience Sakic was able to exercise.

Look at our fanbase. Tossing Sam Bennett aside at 23. I was told Hanifin is what he is 2 years ago when he had 30pts as his career high playing second pair. There is just no patience here as people saw what Pittsburgh and Chicago did by winning with top picks on ELC’s or second contracts.

People are not patient with our current group and wanted to blow this thing up after last year.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I see Poe’s comment like tanking is how to win but the top 5 picks were taken 11, 8, and 5 years ago. Rantanen was 7 years ago and was 10th but he has to be one of the best 10th picks of all time taken in a generational draft that is on its way to being as good or better than 2003.

Has a Canadian fanbase been patient enough with top picks to maybe wait 10 years to have a chance to win? Can a Canadian market be patient with a 48pt season 4 years after you take your franchise player 1st overall? Can a Canadian market be patient enough with a disgruntled player to not trade him as long as the Avs held onto Duchene?

Sakic fleeced 3 of his peers in key trades that helped build this team and also nailed their top picks. Not something that any GM could do. Hell I doubt Sakic could do it this good again.

I think a Canadian fanbase IS patient enough
But their owners ain't.

[transplant99]

More to the point.....it should not matter one iota what fans think when it comes to making hockey decisions.

Yet, it's apparent it happens all the time.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

If we sign Johnny, and it becomes clear that Tkachuk won't sign long term, would anyone else favor the notion of testing the trade market on Tkachuk and then throwing the kitchen sink at Forsberg?

I would do that anyways to be honest.

Gaudreau + Forsberg + assets for Tkachuk is a huge win in my books.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I would do that anyways to be honest.

Gaudreau + Forsberg + assets for Tkachuk is a huge win in my books.

It can’t happen without paying assets to get rid of Monahan or Lucic or whoever. This team is not swimming with cap space that they can afford 2 $10M wingers

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

It can’t happen without paying assets to get rid of Monahan or Lucic or whoever. This team is not swimming with cap space that they can afford 2 $10M wingers

If you believe Treliving, signing two wingers for those high AAV cap hits is exactly what they are going to try and do with Gaudreau and Tkachuk anyways.

I'd be willing to bet that Tkachuks AAV on a long term deal will be much higher than Forsbergs and if I'm right that would make my idea even better IMO.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

If you believe Treliving, signing two wingers for those high AAV cap hits is exactly what they are going to try and do with Gaudreau and Tkachuk anyways.

I'd be willing to bet that Tkachuks AAV on a long term deal will be much higher than Forsbergs and if I'm right that would make my idea even better IMO.

I think it is different with home grown talent like Gaudreau and Tkachuk. The flames know these guys from 18 and have helped them get to where they are. Keep the stars you draft and develop. If Johnny walks and Chucky wants too much money I think they trade Chucky for a more futures based package then they re-sign Mangiapane long term and fill out the roster. Flexibility comes back the following summer with Lucic and Monahan expiring. If they lose both they may take a run at Forsberg but if one stays I think they hold off

In short I think they move heaven and earth to sign their guys but they won’t do it to keep one and try and sign another from a different team.

[Monahammer]

Conversely, we will likely never have the centre position locked in so cheaply owing to Lindy's low salary for the next couple years. If there's any time to over pay wing talent it is now, especially as there's also unlikely a centre upgrade available.

[Poe969]

You need more than 1 really good C for the team to have success.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by Poe969

You need more than 1 really good C for the team to have success.

I think we're going to be spending way too much on wingers, and not enough on the most important position, Center. Backlund is important, but we use another high-end guy. Easier said than done though...

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

This is true but I look at what happened in 2017 as something that would cause a Canadian team to panic. I just think there is typically more pressure to make moves like the Duchene trade and are not afforded the same patience Sakic was able to exercise.

Look at our fanbase. Tossing Sam Bennett aside at 23. I was told Hanifin is what he is 2 years ago when he had 30pts as his career high playing second pair. There is just no patience here as people saw what Pittsburgh and Chicago did by winning with top picks on ELC’s or second contracts.

People are not patient with our current group and wanted to blow this thing up after last year.

Blowing it up last year was logical. The Flames had a strong season this year sure, but that still doesn't change the reasons why blowing it up made sense. Johnny might walk and Tkachuk is a question mark. And even if both get signed, the team likely isn't good enough to compete with the elite teams. Nothing has changed other than we got 1 unexpected enjoyable round. Basically all we get ever. So really if we can be patient with this lacklustre organization for the past 20-30 years then yes I'm sure fans would be patient if they saw the organization actually building a team that could win more than the 1st round.

[Monahammer]

If we can't win with Backlund as 2 c, then we need to get rid of Backlund. I actually think we can do it if we also have a good offensive 3rd line

[Sandman]

In a perfect world, Tre would find a way to clear out the Mony and Lucic contracts, and then sign Kadri. Not happening though.

[DionTheDman]

Originally Posted by Sandman

I think we're going to be spending way too much on wingers, and not enough on the most important position, Center. Backlund is important, but we use another high-end guy. Easier said than done though...

Wouldn't the ideal time be now, then? We have an extremely valuable asset in Chucky that is moveable. Surely there must be a team that wants him that has a young C that can slot into the #2 role behind Lindholm.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Sandman

In a perfect world, Tre would find a way to clear out the Mony and Lucic contracts, and then sign Kadri. Not happening though.

In my NHL 22 Be A GM world I'd move Tkachuk, find a way out of at least half of Lucic’s contract, and then sign Forsberg AND Kadri. And Johnny of course.

My apologies for the fantasy, but this off-season is going to be exciting league wide.

[TheSquatch]

Originally Posted by Hackey

Blowing it up last year was logical. The Flames had a strong season this year sure, but that still doesn't change the reasons why blowing it up made sense. Johnny might walk and Tkachuk is a question mark. And even if both get signed, the team likely isn't good enough to compete with the elite teams. Nothing has changed other than we got 1 unexpected enjoyable round. Basically all we get ever. So really if we can be patient with this lacklustre organization for the past 20-30 years then yes I'm sure fans would be patient if they saw the organization actually building a team that could win more than the 1st round.

Avs have won, rebuilt, and won again in the time span that the Flames have had one real good run.

I agree with your post, and you said it a lot more diplomatically than I would have. I am ambivalent about Gaudreau or Tkachuk staying, because the rest of the team isn't good enough. And I'm ambivalent about the rest of the team because the top end talent isn't good enough to mask them.

It's going to be a real interesting off season. But I'd say there's higher chances the Flames won't ice a better team next year than they did this year.

Tre went chips-in this year, and good for him - it looked like the year to try it. It didn't work, and now we can lick our festering wounds for the next few years and overpay a not-quite-mediocre middle 6.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Hackey

Blowing it up last year was logical. The Flames had a strong season this year sure, but that still doesn't change the reasons why blowing it up made sense. Johnny might walk and Tkachuk is a question mark. And even if both get signed, the team likely isn't good enough to compete with the elite teams. Nothing has changed other than we got 1 unexpected enjoyable round. Basically all we get ever. So really if we can be patient with this lacklustre organization for the past 20-30 years then yes I'm sure fans would be patient if they saw the organization actually building a team that could win more than the 1st round.

If you think it was logical to blow it up last year then find a new sport to watch or team to cheer for. Who blows up a team with core players in their mid-20’s with a freshly signed top goalie and hall of fame coach? Good thing they didn’t overreact to a weird Covid season and sell low on Johnny and Chucky.

The Flames currently have one of the best lines in hockey, a solid goalie, a great coach, and good depth. I hope they can keep Johnny and Chucky because I think they are better than a team that wins a round. Rebuilding could put this team on the path to being Buffalo or Edmonton from 2007-2019. This is the last time Sutter coaches so they should build a winner.

How about we be patient with the team that has 3 of their top 4 D 25, their 27 year old number 1 C, 24 year old top line winger and see if they can build off last year and take a step. They need their franchise player to stay like he has mentioned he wants to do.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

In my NHL 22 Be A GM world I'd move Tkachuk, find a way out of at least half of Lucic’s contract, and then sign Forsberg AND Kadri. And Johnny of course.

My apologies for the fantasy, but this off-season is going to be exciting league wide.

I think we could get a huge haul for Chucky, despite his upcoming cap-hit. He's young, marketable, and a 100-point player. A few weeks ago, somebody in here suggested trading him to NJ for Mercer +, and I would love that. The Devils would love to get a big winger to play with their young centers, like Hischier and Hughes, as well. Just dreamin'.