2022 Blue Jays Season Thread - Page 138 - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

BoLevi · 06-26-2022, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by ben voyonsdonc

Maybe I’m excessively negative but, at this point, is it really worth going out and totally raiding your prospect pool? We have one consistent starter and a Swiss cheese bullpen. It will take a ton of prospect capital to try to fill the gaps. I think we might be better off selling some excess parts for prospects and retooling for next year.

This absolutely should be the move. But the org is a vey long way from having reasonable pitching.

The ultimate problem is that Atkins and Shapiro do not have the expertise either themselves or within the organization to assess and/or develop pitching. They are position player guys, and they haven't hired the right people to handle the pitching side of things.

GirlySports · 06-26-2022, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ben voyonsdonc

Maybe I’m excessively negative but, at this point, is it really worth going out and totally raiding your prospect pool? We have one consistent starter and a Swiss cheese bullpen. It will take a ton of prospect capital to try to fill the gaps. I think we might be better off selling some excess parts for prospects and retooling for next year.

You'd be gambling for a 3 game series against Boston or TB.

Machiavelli · 06-26-2022, 01:37 PM

Espinal, nooooo. Why?

ben voyonsdonc · 06-26-2022, 01:42 PM

Yeah…it would be a pricey gamble to go after a mid-front and a back of the rotation pitcher plus some bullpen guys. I think they’d be better off leaving things in the rotation more or less the same and hope Gausman and Berrios figure things out and get better for next year instead. Maybe trade away a few guys who might get an inflated return - preferably some electric young arms that could slot into the bullpen next year.

flamingred89 · 06-26-2022, 01:45 PM

Their offense and 2.5 starters are good enough to get them into the playoffs this year with the underachieving White Sox, Mariners, Angels, Tigers all falling out of it. That said they likely aren’t going to do any damage when they get there.

If there is a move to make I think Atkins has to make it because windows only last so long and the Jays will have to fork a ton of money out to keep their “core” together soon. And then who knows what happens.

GirlySports · 06-26-2022, 01:46 PM

Watching Gage work, i think they could have brought him in earlier, like to face Telez when it was 6-3.

ben voyonsdonc · 06-26-2022, 01:56 PM

^ That’s a pretty solid perspective Flamingred89. That’s the problem with their veteran pitchers underperforming this year - the window with the young studs on cheap contracts is closing and they really needed to make hay while the sun shines.

It’s so frustrating to see veteran guys turn into pumpkins right after they signed big contracts when the team has gone all in this year.

Roof-Daddy · 06-26-2022, 02:07 PM

Talk about frustrating.

In May the starting pitching was unreal and it looked like they'd put the short spring training behind them, but holy crap have things fallen apart the last few times through the rotation.

Hopefully they can turn things around but it's starting to look like the Jays FO may have put big bets on too many of the wrong horses.

Hockey · 06-26-2022, 03:25 PM

By this time next week Jays could be 4-5 games back of the Rays or Redsox

Mathgod · 06-26-2022, 03:42 PM

There just isn't any way to get this rotation and bullpen up to where it needs to be for this team to compete with teams like NY & Houston. If I were Jays management, I would be seriously considering moving big pieces for futures and getting a rebuild going.

Hockey · 06-26-2022, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Mathgod

There just isn't any way to get this rotation and bullpen up to where it needs to be for this team to compete with teams like NY & Houston. If I were Jays management, I would be seriously considering moving big pieces for futures and getting a rebuild going.

You don't need a rebuild going. This team wasn't going to be a World Series team this year despite what they tried to tell you. But they are a good team that just needs to be patient and hopefully soon be a World Series contender

Mathgod · 06-26-2022, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Hockey

You don't need a rebuild going. This team wasn't going to be a World Series team this year despite what they tried to tell you. But they are a good team that just needs to be patient and hopefully soon be a World Series contender

Where are they going to get the pitching they need to become a contender?

activeStick · 06-26-2022, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Hockey

You don't need a rebuild going. This team wasn't going to be a World Series team this year despite what they tried to tell you. But they are a good team that just needs to be patient and hopefully soon be a World Series contender

Yup. The pieces are there, and even the pitching while it most definitely is trash right now could improve. 3 years for both Berrios and Kikuchi - can they turn things around if the Jays just let them play through this stink? Might mean missing this year, but the alternative is to make some sort of trade to bring in pitching while also selling one or both of those guys at a low (nobodys taking them right now).

Blaster86 · 06-26-2022, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Mathgod

Where are they going to get the pitching they need to become a contender?

The team has 2 pieces of an amazing, dominating rotation right now. They have a 1/2. Filling out 3/4/5 isn't going to be that hard. You don't need guaranteed wins from the 3/4/5 spot, you just need a chance. Then you're probably going 3-2 and 4-1 in a lot of stretches.

This is the first real 'competitive year' in the Jays window. While it's disappointing that it's not going to grow from last year, there is no rush or panic to sell off yet.

Anyways, I said it at the time and I've said it all season: Berrios is a lemon. That contract was awful then and awful now.

Hockey · 06-26-2022, 06:52 PM

I mean they still a top 10 team based on record in the league right now. Just doesn't seem like it being in the AL east and being 12.5 GB of the Yankees.

CorsiHockeyLeague · 06-26-2022, 07:01 PM

Anyone remember this after the Baltimore series?

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Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

There's no way to look at this other than as an unmitigated failure. And they keep dropping opportunities to pull away from the Rays. It's going to come back and bite them.

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Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

lol

95 win pace right now guys

They're only two games behind Houston for 2nd overall in the AL and have the 3rd best record in the AL

Unmitigated failure?

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Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Yeah, 6-4 against KC, DET and BAL is a fail. It's only 10 games, but it's a fail.

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Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

lol .600 ball is never a fail

... This was all extremely predictable.

BoLevi · 06-26-2022, 07:28 PM

There is absolutely no way they should be treating this lounge an all in year.

It's just astounding how's inept Shatkins is at building pitching.

corporatejay · 06-26-2022, 08:00 PM

Rebuild? Are you serious? They can score runs, they can't pitch so they need to fill out their rotation, perhaps they can find depth this year but no way you blow it up, that seems crazy.

Inferno · 06-26-2022, 08:32 PM

Rebuilding is nuts. What they need is to fix the pitching and get a new manager.

Roof-Daddy · 06-26-2022, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Anyone remember this after the Baltimore series?

... This was all extremely predictable.

Lol

Still a 93.5% chance to make the playoffs according to fangraphs despite the "disastrous" .600 stretch and this recent spiral against other playoff teams, and we're not even to the halfway point of a 162 game season.

A little early for I told you so's but whatever floats your boat I guess?

Rebuild?? LMAO