Pierre basically confirming what I was saying a few posts ago. Flames won't be waiting until July 12th for his answer. The deal will be done earlier or it won't happen at all.
Even steinberg sounded down about him signing on 960 today. I think we are in for some real pain.
I for one will probably not watch a lot over the next few years if he goes. I just can't see the team rebuilding and I'm not down for watching a hodge podge team that competes for 8th place.
Not everyone's life revolves around making more money. Some people cherish the things that matter more. I always feel sorry for those who don't.
In Johnny's case it probably means taking a little less guaranteed money to be a bit closer to family (both his and his wife's) - though everyone has a different value for that (and idea of what ideal proximity is).
From personal experience, I didn't care at all about proximity to family until we had kid(s) - now it's a lot more fun (and helpful) to have them nearby.
Even steinberg sounded down about him signing on 960 today. I think we are in for some real pain.
I for one will probably not watch a lot over the next few years if he goes. I just can't see the team rebuilding and I'm not down for watching a hodge podge team that competes for 8th place.
Funny how people hear the same thing and interpret it in a completely different way. I was listening today and to me, he didn't sound down at all. He mentioned that we're 3 weeks away from free agency and that understandably, some fans are feeling nervous but that there's still time left between now and then.
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I'll give it until 48 hours after the cup is awarded for an announcement that he has re-signed. After that, it's pretty obvious he has opted to test free agency, and I wouldn't blame him one bit. They only get one sure fire shot to test free agency, let alone after a 100+ point season. They have every right to use their leverage and sign wherever they want at that point.
Steinberg has always been optimistic on the Johnny front. Said in a recent article that Gaudreau almost signed a deal with the Flames before last season started.
I legitimately mean no snark whatsoever and am genuinely asking you this respectfully but is there any actual scenario that would have you “concerned” about the direction the team is going?
Personally my opinion is that if Gaudreau doesn’t get signed it is a bit of a disaster for the Flames as they have traded away high picks required for a proper rebuild. I think they’d be in pretty bad shape.
Another perspective here - it's hard to be too concerned about this particularly signing since I think chances are very slim for this team to contend in the next ~4 years. I also have no qualms about pushing in so many chips this year and potentially losing Johnny for nothing - my MMQB goes a few years further back
Johnny makes us more likely to be competitive for another 4-6 years; without him the team probably hangs on to the bubble for a few years before some degree of decline...but there's also a slim chance that some guys like Zary and Wolf catch fire and there's another Gaudreau lurking somewhere in the system - which would likely take 3-4 years to materialize - and then the question becomes whether it's better or worse to have the back half of Johnny's deal.
Put another way: a lot more things have to go right for this team to contend in Johnny's prime; if we're so lucky for those things to go right, we might be better off without him, anyways.
Johnny's previous deal was 9.25% of the cap when it started and 8.3% when it finished (with a pretty darn exceptional performance at that 8.3%).
Even an optimistic 10M has him starting at 12.1% of next years cap. Sure, the cap may bump dramatically in a few years, but even if it gets to 100M he'll still be ~10% and probably starting to decline by then. Yes, Lucic and Monny's money will go next year, but the year after that has 5 pretty important guys hitting UFA (which is a whole other can of worms, but as presently constructed it makes it very scary to make a push that year)
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Completely disagree. The added revenue streams are substantial. They're going to want that going towards the cap in order to project success ahead of the next Canadian deal. Superstar contracts will sky rocket soon.
OK...disagree all you want.
But the bottom line is that owners are owed almost a BILLION dollars....they are going to want that back before they start shelling out more.
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If it goes into the 2nd week of July we can assume it's going poorly for the Flames as they need to know his intentions days prior to free agency. I expect they have a date drawn in the sand where they will have to move on that's prior to the 13th.
No we cant.
It simply means that he/agent want to see what else may be available.
That could be good or bad but it is not just one or the other.
He has earned the right to go shopping his services. So he is going to take it.
His decision cannot hinge on what else the club does.....even if what he does hinges on what the club does.
It stinks and i would agree this should not be an issue this late in his "negotiations"....but here we are.
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Imagine for a moment that Johnny Gaudreau was desperate to get out of Calgary. So much that he was willing to sacrifice an eight year deal in favor of a seven year deal elsewhere. What would he have done differently along the way?
I'd argue nothing. Tell the fans that no decision has been made and string it out right until the last minute. Then feed the fans a line about being closer to family and get the heck out of dodge.
He's gone already. Many of us just don't want to accept it. If he was going to stay, he would have signed an eight year extension months ago, instead of risk his future earnings by getting injured as he played his contract out.
Imagine for a moment that Johnny Gaudreau was desperate to get out of Calgary. So much that he was willing to sacrifice an eight year deal in favor of a seven year deal elsewhere. What would he have done differently along the way?
not to mention $9.5M x 8 which was the rumored offer is less than the $11M x 7 that some US team could throw him.
My guess is that one of two scenarios is happening:
1) Johnny has told his agent that he is happy to return to Calgary and to negotiate the best possible contract for him to do so. Naturally, his agent will use that leverage to wait until closer to July 13 to finalize an 8 year deal.
2) Johnny is open to leaving Calgary, and is prepared to sacrifice an eighth year to at least see if a dream scenario is available (like PHI, or more realistically NJ).
Obviously the chances of him re-signing in Calgary are a lot lower under scenario 2; not zero but probably even odds at best.
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Imagine for a moment that Johnny Gaudreau was desperate to get out of Calgary. So much that he was willing to sacrifice an eight year deal in favor of a seven year deal elsewhere. What would he have done differently along the way?
I'd argue nothing. Tell the fans that no decision has been made and string it out right until the last minute. Then feed the fans a line about being closer to family and get the heck out of dodge.
He's gone already. Many of us just don't want to accept it. If he was going to stay, he would have signed an eight year extension months ago, instead of risk his future earnings by getting injured as he played his contract out.
Nope.
I do not understand how many are not grasping that the threat of getting to UFA matters to guys. Look no further that the C of the Avs. He held out to the last minute before he got to UFA because he wanted to know what else would come his way...his agent told him what that would be, so he re-upped to be with the team he had grown up with and knew would be good. Stamkos was another example.
It is NO different with JG. Gross has been very busy talking to GM's/asst's and has a pretty good idea what teams may come after his client and for how much money.....which is literally his job. As much as some on both sides of this want to read into something(s) said by player and/or agent....it means squat.
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I do not understand how many are not grasping that the threat of getting to UFA matters to guys. Look no further that the C of the Avs. He held out to the last minute before he got to UFA because he wanted to know what else would come his way...his agent told him what that would be, so he re-upped to be with the team he had grown up with and knew would be good. Stamkos was another example.
It is NO different with JG. Gross has been very busy talking to GM's/asst's and has a pretty good idea what teams may come after his client and for how much money.....which is literally his job. As much as some on both sides of this want to read into something(s) said by player and/or agent....it means squat.
Isn't that illegal until the day after the draft?
Johnny bet on himself and won, my feeling is he's going to get paid in either NJ or CGY.
Johnny bet on himself and won, my feeling is he's going to get paid in either NJ or CGY.
People are assuming without any evidence that there’s all kinds of tampering. I have my doubts. It would get back to GMs and while maybe nothing formal would happen, those GMS would suffer in future deals.
I do not understand how many are not grasping that the threat of getting to UFA matters to guys. Look no further that the C of the Avs. He held out to the last minute before he got to UFA because he wanted to know what else would come his way...his agent told him what that would be, so he re-upped to be with the team he had grown up with and knew would be good. Stamkos was another example.
It is NO different with JG. Gross has been very busy talking to GM's/asst's and has a pretty good idea what teams may come after his client and for how much money.....which is literally his job. As much as some on both sides of this want to read into something(s) said by player and/or agent....it means squat.
There likely is a huge difference,
Stamkos and Landeskog had zero intention of leaving their teams. And everyone knew it.
I doubt that Johnny’s view is that it’s Calgary or nothing.
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Stamkos and Landeskog had zero intention of leaving their teams. And everyone knew it.
I doubt that Johnny’s view is that it’s Calgary or nothing.
Really? I seem to remember everybody believing neither of those guys were going back to their former team. If everybody knew it then it sure was funny that everybody also thought they were moving on.
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