Post Mortem : What happens now?

[Roof-Daddy]

I still think that if Tkachuk gets traded it's for another high end NHLer in his prime.

Like a #1 D-man or a #1 C

Chabot or Barzal come to mind as potential examples.

I had never thought about Pasternak, but if he is potentially available I could see that as a possibility as well.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by shutout

I would do this.
And look at using the Tkachuk money to see if I can sign Kadri.

I thought he made it pretty clear last time around that he has no interest in coming to Calgary

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

I thought he made it pretty clear last time around that he has no interest in coming to Calgary

I don't think it was so much he didn't want to come to Calgary as it was he was trying to stay in Toronto. He could only put so many teams on his no trade list so he put the most likely. With Colorado he had no choice.

[Toonage]

He nixed a trade (and I suspect didn't want to come here anyway) but as a UFA? $8M over 7 years (or something in that ballpark) will probably change his mind

[OptimalTates]

“Yeah, I did, I came very close,” Kadri said before facing the Flames in the Mile High City. “I just didn’t really get the impression that I was being shopped around (by the Maple Leafs) and my initial feeling was to stay in Toronto, and that’s kind of why that whole situation panned out the way it did. It was nothing against Calgary. I obviously love that city and I love going there as a visiting team, but I just had aspirations of staying put.

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“That’s the truth. It’s genuine. It was nothing against the organization. That all being said, I still almost came to the decision of actually going there, so it was tempting.”

But I'd say that's more a diplomatic response. He still put Calgary as one of his 10 no-trade destinations and if the main reason to come to Calgary ends up being the highest offer, that usually doesn't end well for 32 year old UFAs.

I'd stay away anyways.

[Flames_F.T.W]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I still think that if Tkachuk gets traded it's for another high end NHLer in his prime.

Like a #1 D-man or a #1 C

Chabot or Barzal come to mind as potential examples.

I had never thought about Pasternak, but if he is potentially available I could see that as a possibility as well.

I hope this is what happens IF Tkachuk gets traded. Take the sure thing instead of praying a prospect or high draft pick develops to their potential

[shutout]

Originally Posted by traptor

Flames can get more then just the 2oa.
I would be asking for one of these packages:
2oa + Sharangovich + foote
2oa + holtz
2oa + mercer

Unrealistic. That is like the Tkachuk Blues scenario people were talking about last year.

Some of the fans being indignant thinking that a package or Tarasenko, Kyrou, and Neighbors was not enough for Tkachuk.
It would have been a quick no from the Blues to do that.

Anything beyond the 2oa pick for Tkachuk from the Devils is going to be a hard no.
He is not worth anything close to an Eichel package.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by shutout

Unrealistic. That is like the Tkachuk Blues scenario people were talking about last year.

Some of the fans being indignant thinking that a package or Tarasenko, Kyrou, and Neighbors was not enough for Tkachuk.
It would have been a quick no from the Blues to do that.

Anything beyond the 2oa pick for Tkachuk from the Devils is going to be a hard no.
He is not worth anything close to an Eichel package.

I know Devils fans are not their GM but many seem very open to 2nd overall + for Chucky.

This is a very medicore draft

[Roof-Daddy]

Trading Tkachuk straight up for a 2nd overall in what looks like a pretty mediocre draft is waaaay to risky.

Imagine trading your 100+ shift disturbing, prime aged winger for a future Sam Bennett, Michael Dal Colle, Dylan Strome, Jonathan Drouin etc...

Not a high enough percentage of top picks ever become as good as Tkachuk is for the Flames to take gamble like that.

It's a moot point anyways. If the player projected to be taken 2nd overall was good enough, or sure enough of a thing to be traded for Tkachuk there is no way the team holding that pick would entertain the trade to begin with. They'd just take the player IMO

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I know Devils fans are not their GM but many seem very open to 2nd overall + for Chucky.

This is a very medicore draft

Yeah, Devil's wouldn't trade the pick if they think they got a surefire star. You can pull up the list of 2nd overall picks and it isn't a sure thing at all.



Tkachuk for Barzal would be interesting

[activeStick]

Oof.. I don't know about Tkachuk for #2 overall. Always hesitant about trading away known quantities for something that might turn into the known quantity down the road. As an example, I'd be more willing to do the Tkachuk for Pastrnak swap than subbing a #2 overall kid in for Pastrnak.

[Harry Lime]

It was on the radio a while back (about a month) with press that follows the Devils, and written somewhere else about the same time to verify : the Devils don't want to waste the prime years of Hirshier and Hughes, and are open to moving #2 for an established winger. From the same conversations, press from the area, Tkachuk was the pipe dream. The best player that would fit the needs of the team to a tee. He was the only player that the Devils would give up the following assets... #2 plus a significant player not named Holtz, Smith or Hughes (possibly Mercer).

That leaves the conversation to Sharangrovich, Graves, Boqvist, and not coming from Calgary fans or media.

I'm not advocating the trade of Tkachuk, but the off-season conversation of picking up Graves (a top 4 LD) and what to do with the logjam there (more trades!) as well as arguing about the pros and cons of drafting Cooley or Slafkovsky, would be really fun as a fan.

[The Cobra]

Flames likely thinking of trading Tkachuk if they don't think they can sign him long term.

And if Tkachuk is reluctant to talk to any team trading for him of a long term extension, that will affect his trade value for sure.

But one year of Tkachuk is still worth a lot.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

It was on the radio a while back (about a month) with press that follows the Devils, and written somewhere else about the same time to verify : the Devils don't want to waste the prime years of Hirshier and Hughes, and are open to moving #2 for an established winger. From the same conversations, press from the area, Tkachuk was the pipe dream. The best player that would fit the needs of the team to a tee. He was the only player that the Devils would give up the following assets... #2 plus a significant player not named Holtz, Smith or Hughes (possibly Mercer).

That leaves the conversation to Sharangrovich, Graves, Boqvist, and not coming from Calgary fans or media.

I'm not advocating the trade of Tkachuk, but the off-season conversation of picking up Graves (a top 4 LD) and what to do with the logjam there (more trades!) as well as arguing about the pros and cons of drafting Cooley or Slafkovsky, would be really fun as a fan.

I think if you are moving Tkachuk it is because you think Cooley can be a #1 centre. That's why it makes sense. Trading Tkachuk for a winger prospect that is highly unlikely to be as good as Tkachuk makes no sense.
But a slightly less good centre is more valuable than a better winger.

Build up the middle. #1 centres are generally drafted high. That's why you make this deal.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Trading Tkachuk straight up for a 2nd overall in what looks like a pretty mediocre draft is waaaay to risky.

Imagine trading your 100+ shift disturbing, prime aged winger for a future Sam Bennett, Michael Dal Colle, Dylan Strome, Jonathan Drouin etc...

Not a high enough percentage of top picks ever become as good as Tkachuk is for the Flames to take gamble like that.

It's a moot point anyways. If the player projected to be taken 2nd overall was good enough, or sure enough of a thing to be traded for Tkachuk there is no way the team holding that pick would entertain the trade to begin with. They'd just take the player IMO

The dynamics in play here are:
- New Jersey wanting to open the Hughes window
- Their strength up the middle such that they don't need another centre
- The fact that what they do need is a premium winger. And can parlay their draft capital.

So for the most part what you state is usually true, but there may be unique elements in play here that open up an opportunity for this type of deal.

[Badgers Nose]

Trading 19 for the #2 OA plus a good prospect is very intriguing.

You can sign JG, Mangiapane and Kylington and it gives you space to address the need for more D too.

Maybe we end up with a more balanced team, stronger down the middle.

[Lanny_McDonald]

I would trade Tkachuk to New Jersey for the #2 oa and one of Pavel Zacha or Dawson Mercer. New Jersey wants to step it up, that's a way to step it up with minimal impact. Flames get two good futures pieces.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

Trading 19 for the #2 OA plus a good prospect is very intriguing.

You can sign JG, Mangiapane and Kylington and it gives you space to address the need for more D too.

Maybe we end up with a more balanced team, stronger down the middle.

The only way I'd do it is if Chucky wasn't into an 8 year contract. If we can log in Chucky for 8 years that has to be the goal. If we can't? Yeah, that #2 would be what I'd want in return.

...also wondering if Chucky still being in town isn't related to his negotiations. Would be pretty fun to get Johnny and Chucky locked up for 8 years each and then have a press conference where one of them comes out with the "C" while the other wears an "A".

[CGY12]

If the 2nd overall pick is available with potentially a solid D-man, and you are convinced a prospect is a sure fire top line player, you really have to consider in my opinion. We would also be saving the 10 million Tkachuk is going to command.

Not saying you do it, i'm not sure at this point, but I'm really not convinced of Tkachuk being a 10 million dollar player considering how often he comes up short in the playoffs. The league is getting faster and faster, especially come playoff time and he doesn't seem to be taking the necessary steps skating wise to close the gap on that big weakness.

Tough call for sure.

[The Cobra]

I expect Kadri to end up with whatever team pays him the most.

Same for Kane.

Maybe they can be teammates.