The Ongoing Dog Attack Mega-Thread

[chedder]

Originally Posted by krynski

If you want to take it in that direction then, when it comes to an infant, an infant doesn't care whether a chihuahua or a german shephard is attacking it.

You can't be this daft. Even from the perspective of an infant, it matters whether a German Shepard or a chihuahua is attacking.

Yes, the baby will be upset that a chihuahua is attacking but it has a way better chance of surviving than if the giant German Shepard is on it.

Would you rather be attacked by a salmon or a great white shark?

The whole argument is certain dogs have the capacity to do massive damage due to their genetics.

[shogged]

I personally support actual consequences for the dog owners rather than a breed ban, but I do admit the breed ban is probably the easier of the two to implement.


Regardless, something needs to change.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by chedder

You can't be this daft. Even from the perspective of an infant, it matters whether a German Shepard or a chihuahua is attacking.

Yes, the baby will be upset that a chihuahua is attacking but it has a way better chance of surviving than if the giant German Shepard is on it.

Would you rather be attacked by a salmon or a great white shark?

The whole argument is certain dogs have the capacity to do massive damage due to their genetics.

As an adult, I can also step in and stop a chihuahua from killing a child. I would likely use my aforementioned boot across the room technique.

Stepping in to stop an enraged pit bull/German Shepard in kill mode....that sounds like one of the most terrifying scenarios possible. Not only is the pit bull likely to quickly cause the child severe harm or death, quickly, there's also a good chance the pit bull then turns on me.

[Leondros]

Originally Posted by blankall

As an adult, I can also step in and stop a chihuahua from killing a child. I would likely use my aforementioned boot across the room technique.

Stepping in to stop an enraged pit bull/German Shepard in kill mode....that sounds like one of the most terrifying scenarios possible. Not only is the pit bull likely to quickly cause the child severe harm or death, quickly, there's also a good chance the pit bull then turns on me.

After watching that video posted above I have now googled what 'break sticks' are and am considering carrying one when I walk my mini golden doodle. That looked like a very terrifying situation. There were literally 15 people there and none of them could do anything to get that dog to let go... That poor golden.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

I wonder if bear spray would work.

[chedder]

Originally Posted by Leondros

After watching that video posted above I have now googled what 'break sticks' are and am considering carrying one when I walk my mini golden doodle. That looked like a very terrifying situation. There were literally 15 people there and none of them could do anything to get that dog to let go... That poor golden.

A good pocket knife is never a bad idea either. I would hate to have to use it but if it's my dog, me or my kid vs the aggressive dog...

[chedder]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

I wonder if bear spray would work.

For sure. There have been so many aggressive, uncontrolled, unleashed dogs at our vacation community in bc that many of us have started carrying spray. My friend has had to use it on one occasion.

Edit. Not sure if it would cause a pitbull to release its grip.

[foshizzle11]

Originally Posted by chedder

For sure. There have been so many aggressive, uncontrolled, unleashed dogs at our vacation community in bc that many of us have started carrying spray. My friend has had to use it on one occasion.

Edit. Not sure if it would cause a pitbull to release its grip.

why would people have any dogs uncontrolled and off leash dogs at a community vacation spot?

[Amethyst]

Okay, there are too many pages since I was last here for me to read them all...

How many little old ladies are killed by dogs in Canada to say that it's always a pitbull? There are other breeds that could definitely kill a person, especially a vulnerable person, and if pitbulls didn't exist, those owners would have another "tough" breed instead, likely bred to look tough, without consideration for mental stability.

I agree that many people adopt dogs they can't handle and that shouldn't happen. I was involved in rescue for years and disagreed often with people who thought every dog needed to be saved and took on way more than they could handle. Sometimes humane euthanization is the right call.

And, hey, I'm all for special training or licenses, but how are you going to enforce that? Because the people who are the problem won't follow the rules unless someone makes them.

[chedder]

Originally Posted by foshizzle11

why would people have any dogs uncontrolled and off leash dogs at a community vacation spot?

Welcome to the east kootenays. People have large lots and, for whatever reason, don't feel the need to build fences or tie their dogs up. It has become way worse with all the covid dogs that everyone seems to have bought. There was a dog attack on the may long weekend and people are rightfully mad and fed up.

[Leondros]

Originally Posted by Amethyst

Okay, there are too many pages since I was last here for me to read them all...

How many little old ladies are killed by dogs in Canada to say that it's always a pitbull? There are other breeds that could definitely kill a person, especially a vulnerable person, and if pitbulls didn't exist, those owners would have another "tough" breed instead, likely bred to look tough, without consideration for mental stability.

I agree that many people adopt dogs they can't handle and that shouldn't happen. I was involved in rescue for years and disagreed often with people who thought every dog needed to be saved and took on way more than they could handle. Sometimes humane euthanization is the right call.

And, hey, I'm all for special training or licenses, but how are you going to enforce that? Because the people who are the problem won't follow the rules unless someone makes them.

You sound like the people who were discussing enforcing drunk driving/distracted driving penalties or when people were discussing enforcing COVID restrictions. Enforcement follows the law, first you need rules and regulations drafted before worrying about enforcement.

Could you imagine what people said when they were contemplating gun registry? Too hard to enforce, lets just not do this...

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Amethyst

Okay, there are too many pages since I was last here for me to read them all...

How many little old ladies are killed by dogs in Canada to say that it's always a pitbull? There are other breeds that could definitely kill a person, especially a vulnerable person, and if pitbulls didn't exist, those owners would have another "tough" breed instead, likely bred to look tough, without consideration for mental stability.

I agree that many people adopt dogs they can't handle and that shouldn't happen. I was involved in rescue for years and disagreed often with people who thought every dog needed to be saved and took on way more than they could handle. Sometimes humane euthanization is the right call.

And, hey, I'm all for special training or licenses, but how are you going to enforce that? Because the people who are the problem won't follow the rules unless someone makes them.

IMO, the easiest thing to do would be to categorize dog breeds based on purpose, and only allow non-companion dog ownership to people with the proper licenses. So for example, if you own a farm, you can have border collies, shepherds, etc...If you are a police or guard service, you can have Dobbermans, Rottweilers etc...

If you live in a residential area and are looking for a companion dog, you can have ornamental dogs, golden retrievers, standard poodles, beagles, bulldogs, irish setters, Whippet, Dachshunds, Shibas, etc...In fact, there's literally hundreds of dog breeds that would be totally suitable for city life, that are not killing machines. It seems to be about 5-10% of the available dog breeds that cause the most trouble, as they are being used for the wrong purpose.

Under no circumstances should anyone be allowed to have a fighting dog. As dog fighting is now illegal, and those dogs serve no purpose anymore.

The biggest issue is that you might run into hard to identify dogs or mutts. It wouldn't be all that hard to set up some kind of screening process before a vet/city licenser though. Over time, the dangerous breeds would become totally dilute amongst the city dog stock.

Most cities already have mandatory licensing programs for dogs. I really don't see the process as all that different than enforcing requirements for what kind of vehicles are road legal.

[PaperBagger'14]

For everyone supporting breed based bans/legislation, how would this work for rescue dogs that are a mixed breed? For example my dog is a complete mix and it's impossible to say what she is, she looks mostly Labrador, has the behavior of a slug (super slow, rarely runs, enjoys walks but is 100% laid back) but I can see how someone with little to no knowledge of dog breeds would say she's a pit bull. Where do these dogs fall in with these ideas?

[flambers]

One of the solutions is to train the handlers.... However there is a cost for that service...

City of Calgary already has laws and licenses etc.

This of course is not a dog issue, rather its an owner issue.....

Below link will show more about certain breeds

https://www.forbes.com/advisor/homeo...g-breed-lists/

[blankall]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

For everyone supporting breed based bans/legislation, how would this work for rescue dogs that are a mixed breed? For example my dog is a complete mix and it's impossible to say what she is, she looks mostly Labrador, has the behavior of a slug (super slow, rarely runs, enjoys walks but is 100% laid back) but I can see how someone with little to no knowledge of dog breeds would say she's a pit bull. Where do these dogs fall in with these ideas?

You'd have to enforce neutering/spading of existing non-companion dogs. Over time, these dogs would become far less represented in the gene pool. It's not a perfect system. But getting rid of 90%+ of fighting/attack dog genetics from the gene pool of city dogs is a positive.

Under the current system, you can just go out and buy a pit bull, and there are no mandatory sterilization rules. You've got a breed that attracts irresponsible owners also having no restrictions on sterilization.

With stricter controls, you'd have fewer rescue dogs to begin with. And also fewer rescue "trouble dogs".

[PaperBagger'14]

If we could clear up the definitions of companion dog vs fighting/attack dog, depending what that is I could support it.

I 100% agree every dog and cat should be spayed or neutered outside of breeders, and all breeders should be regulated. Also every dog owner should have to take classes about training from a recognized institution. I did with my dog when I adopted her, there were training classes included.

I'd be quite choked though if some Karen had her Chihuahua off leash, that dog bit mine, mine bit back, and my dog took the fall because she claims it's a pit bull when it's actually a total mixed breed.

[foshizzle11]

Originally Posted by Amethyst

Okay, there are too many pages since I was last here for me to read them all...

How many little old ladies are killed by dogs in Canada to say that it's always a pitbull? There are other breeds that could definitely kill a person, especially a vulnerable person, and if pitbulls didn't exist, those owners would have another "tough" breed instead, likely bred to look tough, without consideration for mental stability.

I agree that many people adopt dogs they can't handle and that shouldn't happen. I was involved in rescue for years and disagreed often with people who thought every dog needed to be saved and took on way more than they could handle. Sometimes humane euthanization is the right call.

And, hey, I'm all for special training or licenses, but how are you going to enforce that? Because the people who are the problem won't follow the rules unless someone makes them.

Thank you for posting this, it is pretty much exactly how I feel. You can't save them all, you can't have people adopting dogs who have issues or are too powerful for them. It isn't fair to the dog or any potentially victims.

Anyway, I don't know the future of bully breeds in Canada, but I could see some legislation handed down for getting tougher on owners and potentially licensing dangerous breeds, but those who are the issue will not follow those or any other rules. How do you stop them? You can't. I think they will always be around no matter how much people think banning the breeds will help.

Also, for those interested, below is a detailed list of all the fatal dog attacks in Canada since the 1930s:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...acks_in_Canada

It is interesting to point out there are far more husky/malamute/sled dog deaths than bully breeds on this list. One thing to note though is there are a lot on there what are groups of dogs (more than 2) who were responsible. I agree that most people should never have more than 1 powerful dog breed no matter the type. If you want a mastiff and another dog, get a mastiff and a border collie or something smaller. It is a lot harder to control dogs when you have more than 1, just from a personal experience over the years as a foster parent to a lot of dogs, they get this primal way about them when they have a group without a human alpha and that leads to issues IMO.

I haven't spoken about my own dogs but we have 3. 2 are seniors, 13 years old and wouldn't hurt a fly (cockapoo and shepherd/border collie mix, have lived together since they were about 4 years old) and our other is a 2 year old lab/mastiff mix, who is higher energy, isn't a covid dog, we fostered him and 3 of his siblings from 10 weeks old, he was raised with our other dogs and my shepherd/collie mix, female, is the alpha, he listens to her, respects her in all ways. He is a mutt from the humane society so it is possible he has a bully breed mixed in there, people ask us be we do not know.

We have to somehow put a stop to breeding these dogs, other than bylaw officers going door-to-door in the city, I don't know another way to stop those backyard breeders. People would have to start reporting and telling on their neighbors and we all know how that goes!

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

I wonder if bear spray would work.

You can get dog stuff that is sticky. Basically turns you into a dilophosaurus.

[Bill Bumface]

Can we take this a level up, and admit that pet ownership is kind of ####ed up? We breed these things, so that we can chop off their sex organs and keep them against their will, parade them around with a rope on their neck telling them where to go, and then throw them in a cage for a couple weeks so we can go on vacation.

Oh, then we kill a while bunch of other animals to feed these ones. What an inhumane environmental disaster the whole thing is.

I grew up with pets and love animals. I'll keep adopting pets to try and spare some from getting warehoused in cages then murdered because they peed too much or weren't cute enough. I just wish pets didn't exist to adopt.

[Harry Lime]

Just make the sale of these breeds illegal. It will take a decade for the grandfathered dogs to work themselves out of the country, but there you go. Much like the gun issue in the south, you take the long and sure route, and fix the problem for good as opposed to making up a 'system' to deal with it.