[Signing] Flames sign Zadorov to 1 year deal worth $3.75 mil

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by timbit

Hmmm...

He hasn’t played in Buffalo for 7 seasons.

Sorry, meant Chicago. I posted some advanced stats in this thread when he was signed.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Bingo

And you don't think the most recent season will hold more weight? I do. Trajectories change all the time.

It's not like Zadorov has been out of work. Acquired by Chicago, acquired by Calgary. Career high in points, and while sheltered first in CF%, and 20th in xGA60.

I'm not even saying he's ready for more, just expecting someone is/will.

Maybe but I think Darryl deserves a lot of credit for putting Zadorov and Gudbranson in roles they could succeed. It doesn't always work that way though. I wouldn't be surprised if both of them are worse on another team under another coach.

[Shazam]

Everytime I see this thread I think he's been re-signed.

[powderjunkie]

UFA D - roughly grouped by age after the top tier

Letang 35
Klingberg 29 (30 in Aug)
Leddy 31
Manson 30
Chiarot 31
Subban 33

Zadorov 27[/B] (just turned 27 in Apr)
Maatta 28 (28 in Aug)
Lyubushkin 28 (just turned 28 in Apr)
Kulak 28.5

C Miller 29 (30 in Oct)
Gudbranson 30
De Haan 31
Rutta 31
J Schultz 31
Stone 32 (a bunch of other guys of his ilk available, too)
[B]

Edler 36
Stralman 35
Braun 35
DeKeyser 32
M Staal 35
Ian Cole 33

Bolded guys are really big and play a heavy game.

I don't have a particular point, I just wanted to see the landscape. Age curve is less of a concern for D, but Zadorov is almost a full year younger than anyone else.

Zadorov definitely seems to have a unique mix of attributes...ANA jumps out as a good fit since they've lost both Manson and Lindholm and could use a little intimidation to back up their guys who have the audacity to "skill it up". Not sure Zadorov-Shattenkirk would pair well, but Shats is likely gone by TDL.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Maybe but I think Darryl deserves a lot of credit for putting Zadorov and Gudbranson in roles they could succeed. It doesn't always work that way though. I wouldn't be surprised if both of them are worse on another team under another coach.

Right but that's not the argument.

Someone is going to take a flyer on him because of how well he played in Calgary.

That could easily be a bad move though.

[EVERLAST]

I'd like to see him back but he's gonna want more than we can give....unless of course he surprises us and takes a much lower #.

I was about to say Stone would be a better option for cheaper but I'm unsure as we got a small sample size this year of him but he was pretty good when called upon in this POs

[Bonded]

Zadarov will get a contract the Flames can't/won't match I think

[joejoe3]

Every time I see this thread get bump, I thought he got another 1 year extension at 3.75m

[GioforPM]

Leddy did pretty well after escaping Detroit, including in the post season. Interesting UFA.

[Sandman]

Leddy would be great. Still a good, two-way D.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Right but that's not the argument.

Someone is going to take a flyer on him because of how well he played in Calgary.

That could easily be a bad move though.

But the argument was literally surrounding TheScorpion's post.

The Scorpion was simply stating that he doesn't believe Zadorov was worth $2.5mil, he made no mention of what the NHL at large was willing to pay on his UFA contract coming up.

He was simply suggesting that Zadorov played really great in his role for the Flames this year...as a sheltered, third pairing D-man, and he doesn't believe that was worth more than $2.5mil.

I agree in a sense. Stats are going to look really good when you play sheltered minutes and Sutter was brilliant in how he used Gudbranson and Zadorov this year to maximize their size against opponents without letting then get caved in via deployment. But I tend to agree that you don't want to go signing a player like him to $3+AAV deal when we're already likely losing an important forward or two to the cap.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by jayswin

But the argument was literally surrounding TheScorpion's post.

The Scorpion was simply stating that he doesn't believe Zadorov was worth $2.5mil, he made no mention of what the NHL at large was willing to pay on his UFA contract coming up.

He was simply suggesting that Zadorov played really great in his role for the Flames this year...as a sheltered, third pairing D-man, and he doesn't believe that was worth more than $2.5mil.

I agree in a sense. Stats are going to look really good when you play sheltered minutes and Sutter was brilliant in how he used Gudbranson and Zadorov this year to maximize their size against opponents without letting then get caved in via deployment. But I tend to agree that you don't want to go signing a player like him to $3+AAV deal when we're already likely losing an important forward or two to the cap.

In my mind I was replying to this one, which was more suggesting teams were wise to him.

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

The reason the Flames were able to get Zadorov for a third to begin with was because teams had already taken the flyer on him as a "ready for more" guy and it did not go well.

[Enoch Root]

Saying Zadorov isn't worth $2.5M is pretty ridiculous. He was very valuable to the Flames this year - more than some here want to believe, and he is going to be missed next year.

Is he worth $4m? That's a tougher call. I think so. But the problem for the Flames is they can't really afford that. But if they don't re-sign him, that will be a very large hole to fill next year. And no Mackey or Valimaki do not fill it.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Saying Zadorov isn't worth $2.5M is pretty ridiculous. He was very valuable to the Flames this year - more than some here want to believe, and he is going to be missed next year.

Is he worth $4m? That's a tougher call. I think so. But the problem for the Flames is they can't really afford that. But if they don't re-sign him, that will be a very large hole to fill next year. And no Mackey or Valimaki do not fill it.

I think it depends on which Zadorov you get. He was pretty bad before the last year. And Sutter played him quite wisely, with him getting fairly sheltered minutes. Expecting him to be anything more than a 5-6 dman is likely to lead to disappointment.

You really can't pay a 5-6 dman $4M unless its for 1 year and you have he cap space.

Some team will give him $4M over a long term contract and expect top 4 minutes from him. And pay the price.

[GioforPM]

I like Zadorov. But he's not quite worth what he was being paid, and certainly not more. But someone may well pay it. I suppose the question is whether he'd go for a 1-2 year bigger contract or a long term one with more total dollars but a much more reasonable AAV.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by jayswin

But the argument was literally surrounding TheScorpion's post.

The Scorpion was simply stating that he doesn't believe Zadorov was worth $2.5mil, he made no mention of what the NHL at large was willing to pay on his UFA contract coming up.

He was simply suggesting that Zadorov played really great in his role for the Flames this year...as a sheltered, third pairing D-man, and he doesn't believe that was worth more than $2.5mil.

I agree in a sense. Stats are going to look really good when you play sheltered minutes and Sutter was brilliant in how he used Gudbranson and Zadorov this year to maximize their size against opponents without letting then get caved in via deployment. But I tend to agree that you don't want to go signing a player like him to $3+AAV deal when we're already likely losing an important forward or two to the cap.

Yeah I don’t disagree at all. Zadorov was this team’s 6th defenseman and he was healthy scratched at times. Generally speaking, a skater making close to $4M shouldn’t be getting healthy scratched.

Some other team might be interested in paying a premium for Zadorov’s services, but the Flames being in the situation that they’re in, certainly shouldn’t be. All things being equal, I’d rather have Gudbranson anyway. Comparable player, right shot, less erratic, no pizzas right up the middle.


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[MrMike]

For a depth defenceman-PP specialist, how about PK Subban? How far has his game fallen, is he just a complete liability now?

[chedder]

Originally Posted by MrMike

For a depth defenceman-PP specialist, how about PK Subban? How far has his game fallen, is he just a complete liability now?

We don't need that circus sideshow here.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by MrMike

For a depth defenceman-PP specialist, how about PK Subban? How far has his game fallen, is he just a complete liability now?

No thanks. He had almost the same stats as Zadorov. And he's not in Sutter's wheelhouse at all.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Leddy did pretty well after escaping Detroit, including in the post season. Interesting UFA.

Yup, I think he and Manson will be the best bang for your buck guys this year presuming they sign deals in the Tanev range.