Matthew Tkachuk & Johnny Gaudreau Signing Watch Thread

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

I don't agree with Sutter. They won a series sure . They did that under Glue gun too. Then followed up a second round exit winning 1 and losing 4 in a row. They also only one a game in 2015 vs the ducks.

I don't see that as progress. I see the trend Johnny not showing up in the play offs each and every time. He scored an absolutely lucky goal to limp the Flames past a team Calgary should have handled quickly .

I don't want to uave JG leave but I wouldn't be sad to see that extra cash go towards filling out the rest of the roster . I think the back half of the contract is going to be an anchor. I think putting that much in for both these players we will end up the Buffalo of the West.

There were games that they played well. I am more concerned with Markstrom and the defense than Johnny and Tkachuk. Were they great? No. But at least they had some good games , something we have not seen before

That’s why I said hopefully they can build on it.
It’s too ####ing depressing to think otherwise

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Yeah, but it's also a life choice.

I'd hold no ill-will towards Johnny if he were to head back to the East coast. Dude has a kid on the way, is recently married, and his family is all out there. Those are important things.

That may be a plus to him actually staying here. His family likes coming to visit here and maybe his parents even move here. Here comes the plus part and I hate to say it but it's reality, if Johnny is building a family in Calgary he doesn't have to worry about some nutjob walking into his kids school with an AR15 and letting loose.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

I don't agree with Sutter. They won a series sure . They did that under Glue gun too. Then followed up a second round exit winning 1 and losing 4 in a row. They also only one a game in 2015 vs the ducks.

I don't see that as progress. I see the trend Johnny not showing up in the play offs each and every time. He scored an absolutely lucky goal to limp the Flames past a team Calgary should have handled quickly .

I don't want to uave JG leave but I wouldn't be sad to see that extra cash go towards filling out the rest of the roster . I think the back half of the contract is going to be an anchor. I think putting that much in for both these players we will end up the Buffalo of the West.

The Flames won zero playoff games under Gulutzan let alone a series.

Your analysis is pretty weak you obviously didn’t watch the games if all you thought Johnny did was score 1 lucky goal.

Using money to fill out the roster is a horrible idea when there is no heir to replace what Johnny brings to the team.

[GioforPM]

Wrong thread

[Jason14h]

If the Flames were to loose both , they really don’t have a marketable star.

When was the last time they didn’t have a true star / would this be the first ? Went from Cup winners to Fleury era, to Iginla . I guess 2013/2014 between Iginla and JG? Monny and Gio were on that team but maybe the only time in 40 years without a marketable star on the team

You have to think that will play into the owners minds

[NewFan]

More I think about the team and its cap situation, the Flames can’t afford both Gaudreau and Tkachuk for the next season. If you keep them both you need to trade Monahan or Lucic for a cap space plus trade one of Mangi or Toffoli for a cheaper but similar type of player to fit under the cap which is harder to do.
But you can trade Tkachuk for a draft pick and younger and cheaper player and keep other players except Zadorov and Jarnkrok.
Our most valuable trade chip is Tkachuk and 2023 draft pick. The 2023 draft is full of Centres and Forwards that can help a rebuilding team. I could see some rebuilding team may try to fall this year to get high draft pick or if lucky, to draft Bedard.
So may be Flames will trade Tkachuk to a contending or playoff team for a prospect and 1st and trade own 1st pick with Lucic to a rebuilding team for cheaper player who can replace some of Tkachuk's points.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

If the Flames were to loose both , they really don’t have a marketable star.

When was the last time they didn’t have a true star / would this be the first ? Went from Cup winners to Fleury era, to Iginla . I guess 2013/2014 between Iginla and JG? Monny and Gio were on that team but maybe the only time in 40 years without a marketable star on the team

You have to think that will play into the owners minds

The owners minds are even at play at this point. It's not like Treliving is preparing a presentation to get more money.

It's a cap world and the Flames spend to the cap, Brad can offer whatever he wants to Johnny and he'll either take it or like somewhere else with a different offer better.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

The Flames won zero playoff games under Gulutzan let alone a series.

Your analysis is pretty weak you obviously didn’t watch the games if all you thought Johnny did was score 1 lucky goal.

Using money to fill out the roster is a horrible idea when there is no heir to replace what Johnny brings to the team.

You didn't see where I corrected and said I meant Hartley.

I haven't missed a game since 2008. I think these two are good regular season players but that's alot of money for a long time for 2 players that have hard time posting 2 consistent High end playing seasons back to back. Happy to have them back but I think half way thru those contracts will look ugly and hard to keep guys like Lindholm 2 years from now.

Don't we mock Edmonton for doing the exact same thing? Arguably they have the 2 better players too. That kind of money tied up is exactly why they have to play McDavid and Drysaddle so much because they can't afford the rest of the team they need . Flames have to pay almost McDavid money for JG too stay not 12 but 10 ain't far off. Tkachuk is probably going to get more than Drysaddle ....

[CGY12]

As somebody who's been super critical of this core and still under the belief that the current makeup of that core isn't a Stanley Cup winning one, Johnny is absolutely part of the solution and not even close to being an issue. Losing him would be an absolute dagger to this franchise. He is literally the only one on the team that has the skill and IQ to skate the puck up and gain the zone effectively almost every time he touches the puck.

I absolutely love Lindholm and believe he is part of the solution as well but I'd love to see Johnny play with another player that has that skill/IQ ability too, Tkachuk certainly can't with his weak skating skills. How we add that player? It probably has to be through the draft but getting Johnny a line mate, either at centre or wing that can lug the puck up the ice and has the IQ to intelligently gain the zone with either his skating ability, patience or smarts would be a game changer for Johnny I believe (in the playoffs).

You look at teams that made the final 4 and or have had recent playoff success, usually that top line/s has at least 2 players who can do that, whether its Kucherov/Point, Rantanen/Mckinnon, Panarin/Zibanejad, I'll even include McDoofus and Crysaitl.

When playing stiffer competition in intense, faster, playoff hockey, the top line becomes easier to contain because the opponents understand everything runs through Johnny. Resign him and find a player that can at least alleviate some of those responsibilities, since signing any of the above caliber players is next to impossible, management needs to find a 2nd tier player who possess those abilities.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by NewFan

More I think about the team and its cap situation, the Flames can’t afford both Gaudreau and Tkachuk for the next season. If you keep them both you need to trade Monahan or Lucic for a cap space plus trade one of Mangi or Toffoli for a cheaper but similar type of player to fit under the cap which is harder to do.
But you can trade Tkachuk for a draft pick and younger and cheaper player and keep other players except Zadorov and Jarnkrok.
Our most valuable trade chip is Tkachuk and 2023 draft pick. The 2023 draft is full of Centres and Forwards that can help a rebuilding team. I could see some rebuilding team may try to fall this year to get high draft pick or if lucky, to draft Bedard.
So may be Flames will trade Tkachuk to a contending or playoff team for a prospect and 1st and trade own 1st pick with Lucic to a rebuilding team for cheaper player who can replace some of Tkachuk's points.

I think you can.



I gave Johnny 8x10, and Tkachuk, Mangiapane, and Kylington on 1-year deals. Traded Dube for a 2nd round pick and signed Acciari for $1M. It's a bit optimistic but possible. Then next year you have all the Lucic and Monahan money freed up, didn't spend any futures to get rid of them, and people won't need such big raises.

[Sainters7]

Originally Posted by beaster

He is a horrible skater that will never make him a game changer. That's why he dropped in the draft and the Flames got him.

He dropped in the draft because Columbus went off-script and passed on Puljujarvi, which shook up everything. If that doesn't happen, I bet Tkachuk goes to the Oilers at #4. Picturing that is so gross..

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

You didn't see where I corrected and said I meant Hartley.

I haven't missed a game since 2008. I think these two are good regular season players but that's alot of money for a long time for 2 players that have hard time posting 2 consistent High end playing seasons back to back. Happy to have them back but I think half way thru those contracts will look ugly and hard to keep guys like Lindholm 2 years from now.

Don't we mock Edmonton for doing the exact same thing? Arguably they have the 2 better players too. That kind of money tied up is exactly why they have to play McDavid and Drysaddle so much because they can't afford the rest of the team they need . Flames have to pay almost McDavid money for JG too stay not 12 but 10 ain't far off. Tkachuk is probably going to get more than Drysaddle ....

We don’t mock Edmonton for having 2 of the best players in the league signed. The problem is the fact they pay a combined 5.85M for Kassian/Neal/Lucic. Nurse making 9.25 is hilarious, Kostkinen was at 4.5M.

Tkachuk and Johnny will no question have higher cap hits than Draisaitl he is a steal at 8.5M

If you don’t think Johnny and Chucky are guys to build around I guess it is time to rebuild. No one is winning a cup without star players and just a bunch of $5M guys. I would rather have $21M on my first line than $13M on my 4th

[Erick Estrada]

LeBrun today saying he sees a scenario where Gaudreau and his agent don't want to close the door on Calgary but may want to take a peek at the UFA market. I don't like that at all because all it takes is one team to come out of nowhere and make a crazy offer that the Flames can't/won't match.

[Mass_nerder]

That takes an 8th year off the table for the flames and for Gaudreau. The flames could do 10.5 x 8 (which I think it's certainly realistic), but by going into free agency, does his agent think he's going to get 12 x 7 offers to match the value? I'm skeptical.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Here comes the plus part and I hate to say it but it's reality, if Johnny is building a family in Calgary he doesn't have to worry about some nutjob walking into his kids school with an AR15 and letting loose.

I would wager that on a scale of 1 to 1000, that would factor into Johnny's decision making process at a 0.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

LeBrun today saying he sees a scenario where Gaudreau and his agent don't want to close the door on Calgary but may want to take a peek at the UFA market. I don't like that at all because all it takes is one team to come out of nowhere and make a crazy offer that the Flames can't/won't match.

It is not that different from what Landeskog, Stamkos, Tavares etc did. It is a risk but once you get this close to free agency then it is hard to not take a peak. While the legal tampering went away there is still plenty of tampering that occurs. That guy on Twitter announced Blake Coleman was coming here before the free agent window opened so talks were taking place prior.

The Ducks strike me as a team that could come out of nowhere. I still think New Jersey poses the biggest risk.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Mass_nerder

That takes an 8th year off the table for the flames and for Gaudreau. The flames could do 10.5 x 8 (which I think it's certainly realistic), but by going into free agency, does his agent think he's going to get 12 x 7 offers to match the value? I'm skeptical.

They will take a peek before that window closes. I could see the Flames signing him on the eve of free agency.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

The Ducks strike me as a team that could come out of nowhere. I still think New Jersey poses the biggest risk.

The Ducks certainly could but I have been thinking for some time that the Devils will be the team that may blow him away with a contract offer as they have $20 million available to spend on anything they want as they have 21/23 players signed for next season.

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

I don't see that as progress. I see the trend Johnny not showing up in the play offs each and every time. He scored an absolutely lucky goal to limp the Flames past a team Calgary should have handled quickly .

You mean the perfectly placed shot he fired to score in game 7 OT to beat the top goalie in round one?

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by JohnnyB

You mean the perfectly placed shot he fired to score in game 7 OT to beat the top goalie in round one?

Yeah that shot he works on all the time. Total fluke, I bet these players don’t even mean to go bar down when it happens. All fluke.

Are they even really aiming at the net? Or just hoping?