If You Could Undo One Treliving Move & Replace it With A Similar One

[Royle9]

Glue gun hire.
Harmonic trade was awful, especially because Hamonic never was that good. Didn’t like it at the time, hate it even more now after the dust settled.

Neal and Brouwer were both terrible signings.

Not having a first this year, Toffoli trade was good on paper but he hasn’t fit in too well here and I was pretty excited for it. The added stress for him to need to perform this year worries me in the sense that it could be looked as the next big “redo” trade

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Glue gun hire.
Harmonic trade was awful, especially because Hamonic never was that good. Didn’t like it at the time, hate it even more now after the dust settled.

Neal and Brouwer were both terrible signings.

Not having a first this year, Toffoli trade was good on paper but he hasn’t fit in too well here and I was pretty excited for it. The added stress for him to need to perform this year worries me in the sense that it could be looked as the next big “redo” trade

Toffoli will be awesome next season.

I’m with you and the others; coaching miss-hires cost BT a lot of time. Real coach could have solved guys like Bennett and would have influenced some of the bad trades or free agents, we might have avoided some.

[Southside403]

Originally Posted by White Out 403

Dion Phaneuf for a better trade.

I said what I said.

With out that trade the legendary Matt stajan goal and he has become a great person in our community.

[dammage79]

In defense of the likes of Toffoli and to a lesser extend Coleman. Those two have played a metric butt tonne of hockey the last 3 years. Toffoli IMO has as many if not more miles than someone like say Lucic.

[saillias]

Drafting Ehlers or Nylander instead of Bennett

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by saillias

Drafting Ehlers or Nylander instead of Bennett

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Draft Brayden Point instead of Hunter Smith or Brandon Hickey

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

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Draft Brayden Point instead of Hunter Smith or Brandon Hickey

Or the pick you probably could have gotten for Cammalleri.

[Gaskal]

Lol I don't think draft hindsight should count TBH...

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

Lol I don't think draft hindsight should count TBH...

Or moves (or non-moves) that were made before Treliving was hired by the Flames.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

Probably target someone other than Jarnkrok for depth. He just didn’t fit in here.

Namestnikov was available at the deadline and was the far more dynamic and influential player in the Dallas series. He was also cheaper.

[CliffFletcher]

There were rumours that the Flames talked trades around Monahan two years ago, but didn’t like what was on the table.

Should have taken whatever they could get.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

There were rumours that the Flames talked trades around Monahan two years ago, but didn’t like what was on the table.

Should have taken whatever they could get.

The names that were mentioned during those rumors were Josh Andersen and Rasmus Ristolinen. Andersen might have been okay but he wanted a 1 or 7 year deal which is likely why the Flames eventually walked away.

In my move that didn’t happen I wish the Kadri trade went through and it would have been far easier to trade Monahan when you have Kadri up the middle

[Sidney Crosby's Hat]

Originally Posted by browna

Re Perron signing instead;
He hated his time in Edmonton and made the famous inseason trade request.
Oilers #### show aside, I think the likelihood he was interested in playing in Canada long term was low. Again, takes two to tango and just becuase Perron was a UFA, doesn't mean he had any interest in coming here.

There was no Perron trade request and he was on board with staying in Edmonton if the conditions were right. I actually remember talking to him about it maybe a week before he was moved.

[Gaskal]

I will give Tre a pass on Darryl as my gut feeling is that he was asking early and often and Darryl waited until the moment seemed right.

But, I would have:

-Overpaid Lucic from the get-go instead of trying to bargain bin with Brouwer and trying to find the perfect face puncher to take Lucic on for the next 5 years

-Traded for Marc Methot (went to Dallas 2 days after the Hamonic trade) instead of Travis Hamonic

-Convinced Sam to stay on and give the Jolly Rancher a full season to work with

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

I will give Tre a pass on Darryl as my gut feeling is that he was asking early and often and Darryl waited until the moment seemed right.

But, I would have:

-Overpaid Lucic from the get-go instead of trying to bargain bin with Brouwer and trying to find the perfect face puncher to take Lucic on for the next 5 years

-Traded for Marc Methot (went to Dallas 2 days after the Hamonic trade) instead of Travis Hamonic

-Convinced Sam to stay on and give the Jolly Rancher a full season to work with

I looked at that. The price would obviously have been way better, but Methot didn't do a thing for Dallas - played only 36 games that year and 9 the next. Then done. It would be basically not making the trade at all, which is fine, but not within the rules of this game. Plus you end up giving Vegas draft picks (yuck in hindsight).

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by CaptainYooh

You've had me at Brouwer and lost me at Peters. I never understood the Peters' hire when Darryl was available and willing. I was very vocal about it at the time and got scolded by many here for "looking back instead of looking forward". At Tre's own admission, his whole decision-making factor was being impressed by Peters over his coaching style during some IIHF event (or something like it, I forgot the exact event). The fact that Peters had zero head coaching success during playoffs was of no consequence to Treliving (similar to Ward and Gulutzan).

I don't believe that Sutter was, in fact, available at the time Treliving hired Peters. Both Treliving and Sutter have publicly stated that attempts were made earlier to get him behind the Flames bench, but that the timing never worked out for both sides.

As for hiring a head coach on the basis of playoff results, this is not a hard-and-fast measure of future success. A coach cannot win in the playoffs until he does, and for some it takes more time than others.

To be fair, for every season he was here, Treliving had tried making the team roster better in the off-season in accordance with what he thought and the coaches thought the most pressing need was. The problem was his "looking for a bargain deal" trend. More often than not, this has lead to buying crap on the cheap.

I also don't believe this is true. Peters was not a "bargain deal" hire. And moreover, even if this were true, this is most likely not Treliving's mandate, and was much more likely the policy set by ownership.

Besides, the most difficult part of being a NHL GM is that one cannot simply do whatever he wants, when he wants to do it. So much of success occurs through trial and error, and by way of a prodigious dose of very good fortune.


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[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

As for hiring a head coach on the basis of playoff results, this is not a hard-and-fast measure of future success. A coach cannot win in the playoffs until he does, and for some it takes more time than others.

There is also a crazy little factoid that only Dick Irvine and Scotty Bowman have won Cups with 2+ different teams.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

There is also a crazy little factoid that only Dick Irvine and Scotty Bowman have won Cups with 2+ different teams.

#Itwasin

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

There is also a crazy little factoid that only Dick Irvine and Scotty Bowman have won Cups with 2+ different teams.

Exactly right. And by this logic, the very best chance for a team to win a Cup is to hire a coach who has never won before. It's nonsense, but I think this speaks more to just how difficult and random a championship win truly is.

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[Reaper]

Originally Posted by butterfly

Agreed. Should have been able to get David Perron, who signed 4x4 that same offseason, for probably less than the Neal offer.

Has Perron ever signed an NHL contract for any team but the Blues? Even after being traded he still went back to the Blues as a free agent. I'm not sure this deal would have been possible as it appears that he wants to be a Blue for life.