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[OptimalTates]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

That’s a ton of “ifs”.

The biggest "ifs" are if Gaudreau likes more money over less money and if teams like less cap over more cap. I'd be willing to make a small wager on those...

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

F it all! We would be a top 4 team if Fox signed here. Let alone Kadri agreeing to the trade. We would be insane with Fox and Kadri.

Why you gotta tease me like this.

So if some guys had a little more honour/gratitude then the Flames would be a legit contender presently.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by OptimalTates

The biggest "ifs" are if Gaudreau likes more money over less money and if teams like less cap over more cap. I'd be willing to make a small wager on those...

The big “ifs” relate to whether Johnny and the teams bidding for his services disclose the parameters of those deals to Calgary, and whether there are two teams so close in terms that the 8th year makes such a difference. When was the last time the scenario you painted played out?

I’d be willing to bet a large wager it doesn’t play out here.

[powderjunkie]

I think the + would have to be on CGY's side in a MT for 2OA deal.

Why would they trade such a premium asset for what amounts to a 1yr rental and/or UFA signing rights? Instead they could just go big in UFA knowing they will probably also have 3 yrs of a very good player on ELC...

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Also won’t happen because those are awful deals for the other teams that they would never do

The whole exercise is ridiculous but if you replaced valamaki with or added Rasmus Anderson to the Lindholm deal the Avs May bite. They could win 3 cups in a row with a Lindholm that is making 2 million less than his value.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

The whole exercise is ridiculous but if you replaced valamaki with or added Rasmus Anderson to the Lindholm deal the Avs May bite. They could win 3 cups in a row with a Lindholm that is making 2 million less than his value.

Wow insane undervaluing our players here.

Newhook and Byram are still potential players and Girard is in for cap reasons. 4-5 Dman at best.

Flames give up 27 year old Selke nominated player who has 40+ goals and 80+ points signed for 2 years under $5M.

Markstrom is a better goalie than Kuemper who the Avs gave up a 1st and good prospect for 1 year of his services and they get Markstrom for 4 more years

Now you are saying they need to add a 50pt, first pairing Dman who is signed for under 4.5M for 4 more years to even it out?

Absolutely crazy valuation of the Avs players and underrating 3 of the key reasons the Flames won the division.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Wow insane undervaluing our players here.

Newhook and Byram are still potential players and Girard is in for cap reasons. 4-5 Dman at best.

Flames give up 27 year old Selke nominated player who has 40+ goals and 80+ points signed for 2 years under $5M.

Markstrom is a better goalie than Kuemper who the Avs gave up a 1st and good prospect for 1 year of his services and they get Markstrom for 4 more years

Now you are saying they need to add a 50pt, first pairing Dman who is signed for under 4.5M for 4 more years to even it out?

Absolutely crazy valuation of the Avs players and underrating 3 of the key reasons the Flames won the division.

Newhook and Byram aren't potential players. They are young, under control, established players with huge upside.
Those guys RARELY get moved.

If you think we are out to lunch, again, point to where a team has given up that kind of haul of young players.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Newhook and Byram aren't potential players. They are young, under control, established players with huge upside.
Those guys RARELY get moved.

If you think we are out to lunch, again, point to where a team has given up that kind of haul of young players.

When has there ever been a guy like Tkachuk or Lindholm on the market? I think the Avs would absolutely love Markstrom and Lindholm on their team and would give up the assets listed.

I think you’re really undervaluing how much Tkachuk and Lindholm are really worth.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

When has there ever been a guy like Tkachuk or Lindholm on the market? I think the Avs would absolutely love Markstrom and Lindholm on their team and would give up the assets listed.

I think you’re really undervaluing how much Tkachuk and Lindholm are really worth.

Hopefully they didn’t watch Markstrom against the Oilers.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Hopefully they didn’t watch Markstrom against the Oilers.

5 game sample size wipes away the previous entire season and first round where he was the 2nd best goalie in the league?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

5 game sample size wipes away the previous emote season and first round where he was the 2nd best goalie in the league?

And it’s not like Kuemper was lights out this POs prior to getting hurt. .897.

[Kipper_3434]

This thread should just be called, "what are your plans for be a gm in NHL 22?"

[Roof-Daddy]

Aaah, the draft must be getting close because apparently a 25 year old winger who just put up 40+ goals and 100+ points isn't worth the 2nd overall draft pick.

haha

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

5 game sample size wipes away the previous emote season and first round where he was the 2nd best goalie in the league?

It’s not 5 game sample size. He has never been good in the regular season for the Flames against the Oilers. As matter of fact, going back to his Canucks days also. That’s a pretty damn good sample.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Aaah, the draft must be getting close because apparently a 25 year old winger who just put up 40+ goals and 100+ points isn't worth the 2nd overall draft pick.

haha

Has any one ever traded a 25 yrs old 100 pt player

Of a 2nd overall?

Both are untouchable

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Newhook and Byram aren't potential players. They are young, under control, established players with huge upside.
Those guys RARELY get moved.

If you think we are out to lunch, again, point to where a team has given up that kind of haul of young players.

Newhook is 21 turning 22 at the mid point of next season. 36pts in 77 career games. Nice numbers and good upside but nothing elite. Byram turns 21 in a week and has less than 50 games and 20pts. His name was being talked about for a Giroux rental and he has battled some injuries.

Neither guy is established.

End of the day this thread is in the spirit of what won’t happen which is the Flames moving on from multiple core pieces to try and facilitate a massive tank an offseason after they win the division and a round of playoffs.

Beyond that we now are simply talking valuation of players and organizational needs. Colorado could be losing 2 huge pieces in Kadri and Kuemper. Kadri is almost certainly gone as he will command a max term deal likely at $8M similar to what Duchene signed in Nashville. Kuemper likely wants a 5 year deal at top 10 starter money and I think is a worse goalie than Markstrom. Lindholm is one of the best contracts in the league and is right in the same age group as MacKinnon, Landeskog, Rantanen.

This draft doesn’t have a ton of hype and many have stated it is a pretty weak draft. 2012 vibes where Yakupov and Murray were the top picks. Tkachuk has been referred to as a unicorn on the radio lately and if the flames are forced to trade him I think there will be a bidding war. If the Flames are stuck with their cap situation and Tkachuk is going to play hardball moving him for a high pick makes sense but with the draft being lackluster more would be needed. Like I said earlier maybe Holtz is teaching but Zacha’s rights plus should easily be on the table. The Devils want to move forward immediately and Tkachuk id exactly the piece they would be looking for especially because they lack size up front.

Trelviing has his version of the Bruins perfection line. Gaudreau-Lindholm-Tkachuk can be the best line in the league for the next 3 years in my opinion and the Flames will find a way to keep them here together long term. These guys won’t be available for trade and this team is not going to tank for Bedard by stripping it down this summer. Teams do not trade elite first line players making $3-4M less than their actual value when they are competing and those players have multiple years left. Players like Tkachuk are a rare breed and teams don’t move those players unless they have to.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Kipper_3434

This thread should just be called, "what are your plans for be a gm in NHL 22?"

It basically is. The premise is to blow up and rebuild a team that just won the division and a playoff round and as long as they keep their free agents they should be a similar team next year.

No chance in hell the Flames are tearing it down even if Johnny walks. I am a believer they will keep Johnny and Chucky and fill some holes with guys like Mackey, Valimaki, Pelletier and other guys who can be brought in for the minimum

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Newhook is 21 turning 22 at the mid point of next season. 36pts in 77 career games. Nice numbers and good upside but nothing elite. Byram turns 21 in a week and has less than 50 games and 20pts. His name was being talked about for a Giroux rental and he has battled some injuries.

Neither guy is established.

End of the day this thread is in the spirit of what won’t happen which is the Flames moving on from multiple core pieces to try and facilitate a massive tank an offseason after they win the division and a round of playoffs.

Beyond that we now are simply talking valuation of players and organizational needs. Colorado could be losing 2 huge pieces in Kadri and Kuemper. Kadri is almost certainly gone as he will command a max term deal likely at $8M similar to what Duchene signed in Nashville. Kuemper likely wants a 5 year deal at top 10 starter money and I think is a worse goalie than Markstrom. Lindholm is one of the best contracts in the league and is right in the same age group as MacKinnon, Landeskog, Rantanen.

This draft doesn’t have a ton of hype and many have stated it is a pretty weak draft. 2012 vibes where Yakupov and Murray were the top picks. Tkachuk has been referred to as a unicorn on the radio lately and if the flames are forced to trade him I think there will be a bidding war. If the Flames are stuck with their cap situation and Tkachuk is going to play hardball moving him for a high pick makes sense but with the draft being lackluster more would be needed. Like I said earlier maybe Holtz is teaching but Zacha’s rights plus should easily be on the table. The Devils want to move forward immediately and Tkachuk id exactly the piece they would be looking for especially because they lack size up front.

Trelviing has his version of the Bruins perfection line. Gaudreau-Lindholm-Tkachuk can be the best line in the league for the next 3 years in my opinion and the Flames will find a way to keep them here together long term. These guys won’t be available for trade and this team is not going to tank for Bedard by stripping it down this summer. Teams do not trade elite first line players making $3-4M less than their actual value when they are competing and those players have multiple years left. Players like Tkachuk are a rare breed and teams don’t move those players unless they have to.

OK but this is why people maybe find a re-build compelling if they think that's the type of return the Flames will get.
Young cost controlled talent is some of the most valuable assets in the league.
Tkachuk is 1 year from being able to be a UFA.

That matters.

And I think you are buying into fan commentary about this draft. It isn't great at the top end, but that doesn't mean those top picks still don't have gobs of value.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

OK but this is why people maybe find a re-build compelling if they think that's the type of return the Flames will get.
Young cost controlled talent is some of the most valuable assets in the league.
Tkachuk is 1 year from being able to be a UFA.

That matters.

And I think you are buying into fan commentary about this draft. It isn't great at the top end, but that doesn't mean those top picks still don't have gobs of value.

That top pick is still a magic bean whereas Tkachuk is a sure thing. It would be 2nd OA+, especially if the Devils lock in a 7/8 year deal.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Poe969

NJ is who I thought abiut for Markstrom too, Lindholm to the pens, Backlund to Detroit, coleman to Dallas, Tkachuk to the sens...and yes, take on cap dumps and sign UFA's to 1 year deals.

Tank hard for Bedard and then the BOA with Connor vs. Connor

And we get to watch the worst team in the league for at least 5 years.

That’ll be fun.