[News] Darryl Sutter wins the Jack Adams

[JohnnyB]

I don't see Sutter's biggest impact on the team having come through on-ice systems changes as much as it has come through individual player development and changes to team culture. The X's and O's of on-ice play aren't Sutter's biggest value add to the team and organization.

[psyang]

Originally Posted by tvp2003

His entire acceptance speech is him talking about his brother, wife and family.

Typical Darryl.

Love how he says he's honored - not to win the award - but to accept the award from his brother.

[Jiri Hrdina]

The team plays a far more committed two way brand of hockey under Sutter. I don't think that's revisionist history.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

What has changed about the Flames' "brand of hockey"?

Obviously there are small roster improvements (Lindholm at centre instead of Monahan, Tanev over Hamonic, Coleman instead of Frolik, Markstrom instead of the Rittich/Smith tandem, Toffoli over Neal) but the style of play between the two teams (2018-19 and 2021-22) was more similar than different.

It seems that the two awful years under Geoff Ward playing that awful style have altered everyone's perception of that 2019 team and its dominance. They were a bonafide cup contender up outside of the weak start. Much like this year's team they dominated regular season games by controlling the play, checking tight, and getting career years out of its top players plus Mangiapane. They hit a tough matchup in round one with Makar coming in out of college. Both teams can even point to playoff Hanifin as their achilles heel.

The narrative during the Ward era became that they were a fluke team under Peters but there was never any evidence to support that. It's revisionist history to say the 2018-19 Flames were anything but a damn good team in terms of how they played.

If you're suggesting that the difference between the two teams is guys like Lucic and Zadorov adding toughness, I hard disagree. None of these tough guys made a difference in the meaningful games.

I think Sutter is a better coach than Peters, but I don't think they're playing a more "sustainable" brand of hockey.

The thing that jumped out to me during the Peters era (short) was the difference in quality.

They had the shot attempt volume, but not the scoring chance splits to the same degree as the Sutter teams. Always felt like an asterisk to me. "Playing well, but not generating enough". The top line was on a heater for the first 2/3 of the season and then hit a bit of a wall if I remember.

Looking at the numbers Sutter's team has a significant bump in most play driving metrics.

1.5% in CF%
1.5% in SF%
1.6% in xGF%
2.5% in SCF%
2.6% in HDCF%

Those are significant jumps when you see the top of the leaderboard in any one season very tight between teams (0.2 to 0.3)

Peters numbers were good for sure, and I'm with you to some extent that that season seems to be swept under the rug when it was a good hockey club. But if you are looking for "more sustainable" Sutter's team was better in most categories.

Caveat being how sustainable can you be if you bring back different players.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

1. How does Rod Brind'amour not get more love? Just a few votes his way after another great season from Carolina. Their roster doesn't scream elite talent, but just a bunch of very good players. They work hard and play incredibly well together in their system. They won their division, which wasn't easy to do. That's all coaching.

He won it last year.

Whether right or wrong, the Jack Adams award typically goes to the coach who got his team to exceed expectations. So, I guess the thinking is, if you exceeded expectations last year, and repeat that performance, you met expectations this year.

The award has been around for nearly 50 years, and Jacques Demers in 1987 and 1988 is the only coach to win in back-to-back years. Of all the coaches who have won it more than once, Demers is also the only one to win it twice while coaching the same team.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by getbak

He (Rod Brind'amour) won it last year.

Whether right or wrong, the Jack Adams award typically goes to the coach who got his team to exceed expectations. So, I guess the thinking is, if you exceeded expectations last year, and repeat that performance, you met expectations this year.

The award has been around for nearly 50 years, and Jacques Demers in 1987 and 1988 is the only coach to win in back-to-back years. Of all the coaches who have won it more than once, Demers is also the only one to win it twice while coaching the same team.

Yeah, that's kind of my point. The award is sort of flawed because it only goes to a coach that took his team from bad to good. I argue that maintaining good is far harder than it looks and should be rewarded more. To that end, I sort of support the Brunette votes because he had a tough job of keeping the Panthers as a high end team after the sudden departure of Quenneville. No easy task to step in and guide them to a President's trophy, regardless of how talented the team already was.

Just a bit miffed that Rod the Bod isn't appreciated more. He's an elite coach.

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by agulati

This states that the GM award is voted on after the second round



https://records.nhl.com/awards/troph...the-year-award

Nothing to do with the Jack Adams, I know. Had my messed up trophy rules mixed up.

yeah... its weird, as both sites are NHL sites, and each says something different for the GM award...

personally, it strikes me as odd if voting includes the second round of the playoffs as more than half the teams have been eliminated...

i am sure it will be mentioned when this year's award is presented.

[agulati]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

yeah... its weird, as both sites are NHL sites, and each says something different for the GM award...

personally, it strikes me as odd if voting includes the second round of the playoffs as more than half the teams have been eliminated...

i am sure it will be mentioned when this year's award is presented.

A very professional league, after all.

[calgaryred]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Yeah, that's kind of my point. The award is sort of flawed because it only goes to a coach that took his team from bad to good. I argue that maintaining good is far harder than it looks and should be rewarded more. To that end, I sort of support the Brunette votes because he had a tough job of keeping the Panthers as a high end team after the sudden departure of Quenneville. No easy task to step in and guide them to a President's trophy, regardless of how talented the team already was.



Just a bit miffed that Rod the Bod isn't appreciated more. He's an elite coach.

Glen Sather won it while Edmonton were two time Stanley Cup Champions

[tvp2003]

Dammit I love this man

https://twitter.com/user/status/1532787932615958528

[Manhattanboy]

Darryl just looks like the head coach of the Flames. Simple as that.