Obi-Wan Kenobi | Disney+ | (spoilers)

[Roof-Daddy]

Yeah, my take was that Vader let Ob-wan get away there. Beat him up, burned him up, told him it was just the beginning of his pain, and then let him go.

[zukes]

I have a feeling that you are right about Reva, Cap. Absolutely love dark, vengeful Vader, snapping a kid's neck? Dragging people along with force chokes? Dragging Obi-Wan into a fire and watching him burn? Give this all to me!

I am hoping that they re-consider this only being 6 episodes and we get more seasons!

[CaptainCrunch]

Vader and Obi-Wan are such mirror images.

Vader looking for that confrontation and using whatever is around him to bring it about by ruthless murder.

Obi fleeing from Vader. Part of it doesn't want to fight his former brother. Maybe what Padme said before her death was bouncing around in his dead. Vader hungering for the fight.

Yeah, Obi-Wan has PTSD, its pretty clear, But think of the trauma that Anakin is suffering from. Burned all over loss of limbs, dead wife. Feeling that he was betrayed and lied to and manipulated by the Jedi "In my mind the Jedi are evil".

I'm almost hoping that we get a cameo from Palpatine talking to Vader

"Then Master I snapped a kid's neck and terrified a village to draw him out"

Palpatine - "Um, ok, I mean the villagers are meaningless, but seriously"

Vader - "Then I beat the crap out of Obi-Wan and threw him in a fire to feel my pain, then he got away so I can make him keep suffering"

Palpatine - "Um you know you have other jobs to do, and we do have a budget here, how about you just cut him in half and move on"

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by zukes

I have a feeling that you are right about Reva, Cap. Absolutely love dark, vengeful Vader, snapping a kid's neck? Dragging people along with force chokes? Dragging Obi-Wan into a fire and watching him burn? Give this all to me!

I am hoping that they re-consider this only being 6 episodes and we get more seasons!

I don't know, I mean I think part of the ending of this is that Obi-Wan is going to realize that he can't leave Tattooine again. And that its not about beating Vader at this point, and he needs to avoid confrontation with the Empire.


They'll be other series, including one where Palpatine appears on the Executor and does the "Mission Accomplished" speech about the end of Order 66, and destroys the Inquisitors as they are a threat to him as force users.

[Flabbibulin]

I am a little iffy on this encounter between Vader and Obi-Wan the more I consider things, and as much as it was awesome to see, maybe prefer they went the entire series without an actual encounter. It is messing too much with A New Hope and the void that is supposed to exist between Vader and Kenobi between episodes 3 and 4. We can now deduce that by the time ANH takes place, only 9-10 years has passed since Vader and Obi-Wan last saw each other? "I sense something, a presence I have not felt in... a least a few years"??

[djsFlames]

Yes, it makes that line a brow raiser in ANH.

But this is too enjoyable to say no to.

Maybe we get a conclusion that leaves Vader thinking Obi-Wan would never surface again (believes he is dead?), which makes the ANH encounter a surprise to him, similar to what the reveal of Anakin's survival is to Kenobi here.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally I thought I was going to have problems with it, but I'm ok with it.



I think that we're going to get one final battle that will allow Obi-Wan to come back to the force. Know that there's no way that he can beat Vader in a straight up fight. Maybe Obi finds a way to convincingly fake his death so Vader's not looking for him. Obi realizes how important Luke and Leia are. He also comes to the realization that Anakin is more machine then man twisted and evil.


I simply think that Reva's going to come to a not good end here, whether its by Vader's hands or the Grand Inquisitor's hands there is going to be an explanation of why we don't see her in rebels.


I think for Vader if he thinks he's killed off Obi, that he will come off of the whole revenge phase of things and go back to focusing on the Empire and gaining power enough to usurp his master.

[Cole436]

Originally Posted by Jordan!

It was James Earl Jones

I found this on Reddit, so I’m not entirely sure the accuracy but it make sense

Actually - it is the same without him. He didn't actually voice any of the lines in this show.

In both this and TVLine's articles "confirming" James Earl Jones voiced the part, their confirmation begins and ends with the end credits listing him.

BUT: Also in the credits is the Respeecher, which has only been listed in the credits for Lucasfilm shows in which a character's vocal performance was done using AI re-creation. Note that in those previous instances, the actor who's voice was being replicated (Mark Hamill) was also credited, despite the fact they didn't actually do the voice work in question, nor were they actually in any of the shots used.

James Earl Jones didn't actually do any voicework for this show. He is credited because his voice is used, but the character was actually performed by the AI Respeecher.

Even the headline on this piece is fudging it. "James Earl Jones confirmed as the voice of Darth Vader" is technically true. But people are reading it and repeating it as if it means James Earl Jones performed the character for this show. And he didn't.

[Lanny'sDaMan]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

Not only do I now have hope for Qui-Gon, I also have hope for Quinlan Vos!

I am CONVINCED that

Spoiler!

Quinlan saved Grogu from Order 66 now.

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube

Very cool episode but wtf was happening with that tunnel? How did Tala not bump into Reva on the way back, and how did Reva beat Leia to the end of it?

Ask any rabbit or prairie gopher and they will tell you any decent tunnel has multiple entrances and exits.

[Ashes]

Really enjoyed episode 3, Reva is growing on me very slowly and I agree with some of the other posters here that perhaps Obi-Wan isn't her main target. The way she said at the end of all of this she'll be the one standing beside Vader.. makes me think he's her "goal" and her true target (not that she stands a chance in that fight).

Loved seeing psycho Vader and the fire scene with Kenobi, though Vader already extinguished that fire once, and his suit is virtually fire-proof so I don't think he would just let Obi-Wan get away after looking for him for 10 years, but hey maybe they explain it in a good way next episode. For my money, I think with Vader knowing that Obi-Wan is no threat in his current state he's just relishing every moment and doesn't want it to end too quickly. They have all ports shut down, it shouldn't be hard to track him down a second time.

Can't wait for the Qui-Gon scenes and I'm really curious what changes between now and the final fight between Vader and Obi-Wan, because it's gonna take a full Rocky 4 training montage for me to believe he can hold his own in a fight against Vader anymore. Maybe Qui-Gon has the answers, we shall see!

[Shazam]

I like how the first episode had that recap from the PT that summarized all the good scenes in like 3 minutes lol.

[SutterBrother]

We’re halfway at this point. I didn’t realize it was only 6 episodes. I am a bit surprised at the positive feedback here, as I align more with the below I think.

I’m just not feeling it, guys. I had a little hope that the first two episodes were just a rocky start, but this latest one has me feeling pretty gloomy about the whole affair. We’re halfway through a six-episode limited-run series and it’s just deeply mediocre in just about every way. Nothing important has happened. Beyond just the basic problem with prequels (we already know when and how Obi-Wan, Darth Vader and Leia die!) it’s just not a very good TV show on a basic, fundamental level.

the fact of the matter is Obi-Wan just kind of sucks right now. In A New Hope he had no problem Jedi Mind-Tricking a Stormtrooper. Here he’s basically a stuttering fool, agape at any new obstacle. A drone shows up and instead of blasting it straight away or Mind-Tricking the Stormtroopers into not calling it to begin with, he let’s it scan him and then shoots it. QUICK THINKING BEN.

There’s a lot of Very Serious Grumbling that goes on between these two and the other Inquisitors. Lots of jockeying for position and so forth. It’s all just extremely generic and cringey. I want these Inquisitors to stop being Very Evil around one another and go be badass Jedi hunters . . . who don’t lose their quarry when he topples an awning on them.

The Inquisitors have shown up in other Star Wars shows—Rebels, for instance—and in the video games—Fallen Order—and they’ve always been frightening badasses. These Inquisitors are clowns.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkai...h=6d9d11a07078

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Ashes

Really enjoyed episode 3, Reva is growing on me very slowly and I agree with some of the other posters here that perhaps Obi-Wan isn't her main target. The way she said at the end of all of this she'll be the one standing beside Vader.. makes me think he's her "goal" and her true target (not that she stands a chance in that fight).

Loved seeing psycho Vader and the fire scene with Kenobi, though Vader already extinguished that fire once, and his suit is virtually fire-proof so I don't think he would just let Obi-Wan get away after looking for him for 10 years, but hey maybe they explain it in a good way next episode. For my money, I think with Vader knowing that Obi-Wan is no threat in his current state he's just relishing every moment and doesn't want it to end too quickly. They have all ports shut down, it shouldn't be hard to track him down a second time.

Can't wait for the Qui-Gon scenes and I'm really curious what changes between now and the final fight between Vader and Obi-Wan, because it's gonna take a full Rocky 4 training montage for me to believe he can hold his own in a fight against Vader anymore. Maybe Qui-Gon has the answers, we shall see!

Remember Vader said that Obi-Wan's suffering is just beginning. Him strapping Obi-Wan in a torture chair or slowly hacking off his limbs isn't what Vader had in mind. Though he would have been fine if he had captured Obi right after the fight. Vader knows that there's little chance that Obi is going anywhere, he can stalk him, play with him like a cat plays with a mouse. Terrify him and have Obi-Wan know that he was hilariously weak and then . . . Vader will kill him.



We've never seen Vader with a true sadistic side until yesterday. Even in Rebel's instead of slaughtering Tarkin Town, he hauled them all off and then burned the village.



In Rogue one he was sadistic when he was cutting through the Rebels. It was just matter of fact brutality and focus.



This Vader is far different. Even the Vader in ROTJ, told Obi "Don't make me kill you". In the novel, he practically begged Obi-Wan to flee and go meditate on a far off world".


The death of his wife, which at the end of ROTS and even in Dark Lord he understood was on him, and the loss of his power and a life full of crippling pain, has made him a monster. He will later overcome those emotions, but right now, what drives him isn't a goal to bring order to the Galaxy. Or acquire new power, or take on Sidious in a battle for the Sith Mantel. He hates, plain and simple. He hates the Jedi, but he specifically hates Obi-Wan, and he wants to drag him through hell before he kills him, and prove that he's stronger and better at the same time.

Can't wait for the Qui-Gon scenes and I'm really curious what changes between now and the final fight between Vader and Obi-Wan, because it's gonna take a full Rocky 4 training montage for me to believe he can hold his own in a fight against Vader anymore. Maybe Qui-Gon has the answers, we shall see!

Qui-Gon might tell Obi that there's no way that he can beat Vader, and no sacrifice at this time will take Vader off of the board. There will be no training montage. Obi only beats Vader by dissapearing and Vader being satisfied that he's gotten his revenge and he doesn't have to hunt his former father figure anymore. On top of it, I'm pretty sure that Qui-gon is going to harshly remind Obi that he can't save the Jedi, he can't save anyone else, he can't go on these missions of mercy. He has one job, to protect the boy.


I would expect that even if Obi reconnects strongly with the Force, he's first of all nowhere near powerful enough to take on this version of Vader who is probably stronger and less confused then Dark Anakin. And he's going to realize that his goal is not to beat Anakin, but let Vader's focus go elsewhere.

[Ashes]

Haha yeah I wouldn't expect an actual training montage, (Can you imagine if he went to Degoba to train with Yoda? Would be amazing lol).

But one way or another I don't expect Obi-Wan to go into this next fight in the same weak state (mentally and physically), maybe he gets to heal in a bacta-tank next episode and connects with Qui-Gon. Or Quinlan Vos helps him re-discover the force and urges him to fight, I'm not too familiar with Quinlan's past outside of the Clone Wars show but he's a good friend of Obi-Wan's, I could see him playing a motivational role.

I think Vader's line from ANH "last time you saw me I was the student, now I am the master".. leads me to think that Obi-Wan is gonna surprise a lot of people in their next fight the more I think of it. It wasn't long after this show that he "fights" Maul a second time, so he gets his mojo back somehow.

Perhaps it's the threat of Vader discovering Leia/Luke, or something equally important.. OR Obi-Wan gets help from Quinlan or possible Cal Kestis.. but that'd be kinda lame, I want to see them one-on-one a final time.

[CaptainCrunch]

I almost hope that keep Quinlan off screen. Even though he had one of the better EU stories.



No to Cal Kestis. Unless he steps in and Vader runs him through (Not because I hate Cal, but there are Jedi that need killing).


I loved the Obi-Wan Maul fight, it was brilliant in its simplicity and showed what future Ben vs Vader was going to be like.

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by Flabbibulin

I am a little iffy on this encounter between Vader and Obi-Wan the more I consider things, and as much as it was awesome to see, maybe prefer they went the entire series without an actual encounter. It is messing too much with A New Hope and the void that is supposed to exist between Vader and Kenobi between episodes 3 and 4. We can now deduce that by the time ANH takes place, only 9-10 years has passed since Vader and Obi-Wan last saw each other? "I sense something, a presence I have not felt in... a least a few years"??

It also takes away the gravitas of :

"I’ve been waiting for you, Obi-Wan. We meet again at last. The circle is now complete. When I left you, I was but the learner. Now I am the master."

It's clear in the 70s George intended to have this more like a ronin leaving his samurai master but by the end of this series it will be nothing but Vader leaving Obi Wan half-dead and clearly proving his mastery over him 10 years before ANH ever happened.

[Inglewood Jack]

As clumsy and random as blasters are supposed to be, Obi sure is racking up the kill count with them. And that’s with crappy stormtrooper equipment, imagine what he could do with Han’s piece.

[Inglewood Jack]

Originally Posted by Flabbibulin

I am a little iffy on this encounter between Vader and Obi-Wan the more I consider things, and as much as it was awesome to see, maybe prefer they went the entire series without an actual encounter. It is messing too much with A New Hope and the void that is supposed to exist between Vader and Kenobi between episodes 3 and 4. We can now deduce that by the time ANH takes place, only 9-10 years has passed since Vader and Obi-Wan last saw each other? "I sense something, a presence I have not felt in... a least a few years"??

they did it this way because clearly everyone's been clamouring for it and they're trying to win back the fan base as quickly as possible by stuffing series with "Hell Yeah" moments, regardless of fit into established storylines. as long as they keep lingering on this early Empire period, it's just not that easy to make it seamless.

I feel the same way about Vader's Rogue One appearance though I admit I'm on an island with that. I just thought that having the crowd cheer and holler as he's slaughtering good guys was too weird and meant that Vader fan worship had transcended the story of a pretty despicable villain. also it made him look like a dumbass show-off because he could have prevented the passing of the Death Star plans at any time with a simple force pull, but instead he wanted to slowly amble through the rebels like an old timey horror movie monster. and then for all that to lead into ANH opening with Leia claiming to be on a senate diplomatic mission to Alderaan...well that just doesn't make sense anymore.

[djsFlames]

I kind of like Kenobi punching and blasting everybody.

His fighting reminds me of Han more than anything.

Which is fine. If they overdid the saber use right off the hop it might be excessive and would be too easy. I like that they've really leaned into this rusty Ben who had long lost hope and connection with the force.

Disney is getting so much flak for Kenobi being portrayed as weak, with TLJ Luke comparisons out there

I'm not sure what they expected from a Kenobi 10 years into exile and hiding after assuming the Jedi had all but been defeated.

I think the accuracy here is dead on for a change. It's no character assassination. Its very much in line with where we left off in ROTS + 10 years.

You need a struggle for the protagonist and I'd say Obi Wan has his work cut out for him here. I hope there is a little time jump once Qui Gon sets him back on the path since I think he's going to take a bit of work to get back into dueling shape.

I really hope Reva the rest of the way is like what we got in ep 3. Some layers and calculation on her part drastically improved her character. It's obvious now that there is some hidden nugget in regards to her true motivation and it will be interesting to see if Vader after seeing obi wan in his weak state squeezes her out for the grand inquisitor cover story.