[GDT] Flames garbage bag day and look forward to next year!

[robertsfanatic]

not blaming Marky but if he gives the Flames .900 goaltending the series is over quickly.

not sure how that is on Sutter or anyone else.

[joejoe3]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

Heard Craig Button on the radio...

I stopped at Craig button

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by robertsfanatic

not blaming Marky but if he gives the Flames .900 goaltending the series is over quickly.

Or if they don't give up so many ridiculous odd man rushes. You need your goalie to bail you out sometimes but that doesn't mean you can give up multiple breakaways, 2 on 1s, and 3 on 1s in the same period and expect success.

[Major Major]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

Heard Craig Button on the radio the other day blaming Sutter for the loss against the Oilers. (paraphrasing) He was saying that Sutter was being stubborn not altering lines or pulling Markstrom and completely changed the successful season game plan against the Oilers leaving the players confused and it showed on the ice. Didn't sound like he cared for Sutter much, at all.

He doesn't care for the guy that ownership hired to replace him? Turning him into a qr77 commentator with Jack Wilson? You don't say...

[Savvy27]

That was a pretty lame press conference. I thought Sutter might give a breakdown on the play of the team and didn't really get that. Just more of the same about goal setting and training.

The media seemed a little hesitant to ask interesting questions. I would have liked to hear Sutter's thoughts on his top pair in the playoffs, or about Toffoli and Markstrom in round 2, or Lindholm going head to head with elite players...

I can't think of one interesting item in that whole appearance.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

Heard Craig Button on the radio the other day blaming Sutter for the loss against the Oilers. (paraphrasing) He was saying that Sutter was being stubborn not altering lines or pulling Markstrom and completely changed the successful season game plan against the Oilers leaving the players confused and it showed on the ice. Didn't sound like he cared for Sutter much, at all.

He's right though. You have to take the good with the bad with Darryl Sutter and while the good vastly outweighs the bad, his stubbornness is his achilleas' heel. His coaching in the playoffs was no better than Markstrom's play. I think he was outcoached even in the first round by Bowness who was a goal away from winning the series despite a considerably worse team. Woodcroft totally schooled him.

[Roof-Daddy]

How in the hell did Sutter get out coached by Bowness?

The Flames absolutely owned the Stars in that series and were saved by a record setting type goaltending performance.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by Major Major

He doesn't care for the guy that ownership hired to replace him? Turning him into a qr77 commentator with Jack Wilson? You don't say...

Ah, that makes a lot of sense now. I was like wow he really can't stand Sutter.

I'm old and forgetful, thanks!

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

How in the hell did Sutter get out coached by Bowness?

The Flames absolutely owned the Stars in that series and were saved by a record setting type goaltending performance.

The Flames won in 7 games by a single OT goal. Sure the Flames owned the possession battle but that victory was Gulutzanesque as most of the shots were from the outside and the Flames had to work extremely hard just to get a goal as the Flames could never consistently break through the Stars defensive shell especially early in the series that looked like 90's era hockey. Bowness coached that series brilliantly getting the absolute most out of his team and within an OT goal of advancing. When you look at the record of the teams and rosters, there's no way that series should have gone to game 7 even with a hot goalie as Markstrom play was also very good.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

How in the hell did Sutter get out coached by Bowness?

The Flames absolutely owned the Stars in that series and were saved by a record setting type goaltending performance.

That’s debatable but you have to be delusional if you think he was not a disappointment. I was expecting more from a Stanley Cup winning coach. Not the reason they lost but definitely top 5 if not top 3

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

That’s debatable but you have to be delusional if you think he was not a disappointment. I was expecting more from a Stanley Cup winning coach. Not the reason they lost but definitely top 5 if not top 3

So in your head you have some magic beans idea of what good coaching looks like? The Flames were fantastic in that series, and had they not been as disciplined and as relentless as they were they would have got goalied.

That was one of the all-time best goaltending performances in that series. Had the Flames not been on top of their game and pushing as hard as they were it would have been over in Round 1.

What do think Darryl could have done to help them score more on a goalie they were already smashing with shots and chances? "Setting up the play!!!!...?"

[activeStick]

Everyone has their way of perceiving the outcomes this post season and their opinions will be wrapped around their standard way of perceiving things. For an optimist, they'll look at Round 1 and point to the Flames sticking to their game and coming out on top while facing an opposing goaltender performance that most of the viewers have never seen in their lives to date. They'll point to the Flames being able to face all of the pressure of being a series favorite and having to play a Game 7, but still having the composure to gut it out in OT and win the series.

The pessimists will focus on the Flames being heavy favorites and not being able to beat the Stars quicker, winning in OT of Game 7 which for them, easily could have ended as a loss (though it didn't). And then when looking for reasons for the Flames underperforming, point to coaching, goaltending (despite stellar numbers from Markstrom but will lean to 'still was the second best goalie in the series!') or other players who didn't play their best game.

[Ashes]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

He's right though. You have to take the good with the bad with Darryl Sutter and while the good vastly outweighs the bad, his stubbornness is his achilleas' heel. His coaching in the playoffs was no better than Markstrom's play. I think he was outcoached even in the first round by Bowness who was a goal away from winning the series despite a considerably worse team. Woodcroft totally schooled him.

So.. Woodcroft schooled Sutter by having McDavid, Draisaitl, and Kane together and sometimes splitting his top two guys up? This is the same strategy every other Oilers coach has done since McDavid arrived, it just so happens they are in their prime and dominating the playoffs for the first time in their careers.. I think Woodcroft is getting a little too much credit for playing them 25+ mins a night.

I put the loss to the Oilers mostly on the Flames players getting caught up in the moment and not executing as well as the Oilers star players when we did get our chances. Dallas got to game 7 on the back of one of the greatest goalie performances in NHL playoff history.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

The Flames won in 7 games by a single OT goal. Sure the Flames owned the possession battle but that victory was Gulutzanesque as most of the shots were from the outside and the Flames had to work extremely hard just to get a goal as the Flames could never consistently break through the Stars defensive shell especially early in the series that looked like 90's era hockey. Bowness coached that series brilliantly getting the absolute most out of his team and within an OT goal of advancing. When you look at the record of the teams and rosters, there's no way that series should have gone to game 7 even with a hot goalie as Markstrom play was also very good.

That's just not true.

The Flames had the 3rd highest expected goal split of any team in the first round behind Colorado and Pittsburgh.

3rd highest expected goals/60

3rd highest high danger chances/60

Otteinger was great or that a 5 game series.

[robertsfanatic]

Originally Posted by Inferno

Or if they don't give up so many ridiculous odd man rushes. You need your goalie to bail you out sometimes but that doesn't mean you can give up multiple breakaways, 2 on 1s, and 3 on 1s in the same period and expect success.

i don't disagree and i love Marky but he let some goals go through him

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

So in your head you have some magic beans idea of what good coaching looks like? The Flames were fantastic in that series, and had they not been as disciplined and as relentless as they were they would have got goalied.

That was one of the all-time best goaltending performances in that series. Had the Flames not been on top of their game and pushing as hard as they were it would have been over in Round 1.

What do think Darryl could have done to help them score more on a goalie they were already smashing with shots and chances? "Setting up the play!!!!...?"

I would give him a passing C on that series. He survived but the flames were stuck playing Dallas game a big chunk of time in that series.

He was exposed in the next series. He stubbornly took it after the Oilers figured out how to beat them.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

How in the hell did Sutter get out coached by Bowness?

The Flames absolutely owned the Stars in that series and were saved by a record setting type goaltending performance.

Oettinger got that series 7 games, no question.

130 shot edge for the Flames in the series. Not even close.

[Flames0910]

Heard Craig Button on the radio the other day blaming Sutter for the loss against the Oilers. (paraphrasing) He was saying that Sutter was being stubborn not altering lines or pulling Markstrom and completely changed the successful season game plan against the Oilers leaving the players confused and it showed on the ice. Didn't sound like he cared for Sutter much, at all.

So was he too stubborn or did he overreact and completely change the plan?

Button needs to pick a lane.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by robertsfanatic

i don't disagree and i love Marky but he let some goals go through him

He did but even with his struggles the team could have advanced had they played smarter defense.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Ashes

I put the loss to the Oilers mostly on the Flames players getting caught up in the moment and not executing as well as the Oilers star players when we did get our chances. Dallas got to game 7 on the back of one of the greatest goalie performances in NHL playoff history.

Isn't it the head coach's job to get the best out of the players in the playoffs? If it was all on the players then would coaching even matter? He also refused to change goaltenders even when it was evident Markstrom was struggling. Darryl Sutter is one of the best coaches in the NHL just like Markstrom and Tkachuk are two of the best players in the NHL at their positions. Doesn't change the fact that they all weren't their best this postseason.