Ongoing US Mass Shooting Thread 2

[Galakanokis]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

I said they chose freedom, I didn't say they got it.

They chose selfishness.

[CroFlames]

What really gets me is the terror the little ones must face in their last moments, and in this case, almost an hour. I can't even fathom the fear and how scared and terrified they would be. Then I think of my own kids, nieces and nephews in that situation and it makes me physically ill and then I want to slap some sense into American lawmakers.

Those poor little kids and their families. I can't even imagine.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Mandatory occasional reminder to keep in mind that while these events get all the headlines, the vast majority of innocent gun deaths occur in incidents unrelated to mass shootings and mostly with handguns... the problem is far bigger than Uvalde.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wta...ooter/40137268

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Mandatory occasional reminder to keep in mind that while these events get all the headlines, the vast majority of innocent gun deaths occur in incidents unrelated to mass shootings and mostly with handguns... the problem is far bigger than Uvalde.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wta...ooter/40137268

Yup, trying to solve this one event and analyze the failures really misses the forest for the trees.

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

https://twitter.com/user/status/1531413092957138944

oooof

That made me tear up and I'm gonna have nightmare tonight, and I don't even have kid.

[Duruss]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Yup, trying to solve this one event and analyze the failures really misses the forest for the trees.

When its pointed out like this it makes me think, "It's a feature, not a bug."

[Just a guy]

Originally Posted by SebC

The line you're drawing isn't as clear as you think it is. Independance from the UK was a political cause. Abolition of slavery was a political cause. And let's be clear - pro-gun politicians, donors are a threat to the security of every American. Citizens' rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness are all diminished by the presence of guns. Thus, pro-gun leaders can be reasonably viewed as aggressors against the American populace, and thus, actions against those leaders could in fact be aimed at protecting oneself (and others).

The second amendment itself is purportedly in place to enable the populace to challenge a tyrannical government through armed violence, and ironically the government's refusal to enact gun control measures, even those that have broad support, could be construed as tyrannical. If violence to achieve political aims is wrong then the second amendment serves no purpose and should be repealed.

To be clear, I don't condone slaughtering Republican politicians, but my reasons are different from yours. I think violence to achieve political aims has to be evaluated on a case-by-case basis, and in this case, one would have to become the very thing they seek to prevent - it would be self-defeating.

Don't disagree with you at all. There are exceptions to all rules.

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by midniteowl

That made me tear up and I'm gonna have nightmare tonight, and I don't even have kid.

I actually had to stop watching it, because I do.

[Rutuu]

Originally Posted by midniteowl

That made me tear up and I'm gonna have nightmare tonight, and I don't even have kid.

I'm aware that 80-90% of Americans are in favour of tougher legislation and their senators are failing them.

...But every American with a pro gun senator/congress member can just vote them out. They don't...for decades now. It's the voting age population's fault in those jurisdictions responsibility.

[hwy19man]

One person dead from a shooting at Xavier University.
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/us/gu...77ba0ab350d0c7

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by hwy19man

One person dead from a shooting at Xavier University.
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/us/gu...77ba0ab350d0c7

“There was a fight that broke out between apparently two females,” Goodly said. “Subsequent to this fight, subjects produced weapons, and shots were shot.”

In most countries, it would be a fight and a scuffle, maybe a trip to the hospital. In America a fight means 2 guns come out and death.

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

In most countries, it would be a fight and a scuffle, maybe a trip to the hospital. In America a fight means 2 guns come out and death.

The only reason this makes the news cycle is because of its location at Xavier and the proximity to the Uvalde shootings which has made people on high alert to any shootings...

I mean, who the hell brings gun a to a high school graduation ceremony?! its flat out nuts...

[Engine09]

Just thinking of people I know and work with, 3 of the most loopy who believe in conspiracy theories are the guys who own guns.

These are the idiots who drag society down.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

There is no freedom, there's no political freedom, the US is far less politically free than most western democracies and always has been if you aren't white, and unlike other countries they live in a tyranny of fear, that aint freedom.

15th in the world.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/co...dex-by-country

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

15th in the world.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/co...dex-by-country

15th if you're white, my guess is for 20 to 30% of the US it doesnt even make the top 50

[Dan02]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

In most countries, it would be a fight and a scuffle, maybe a trip to the hospital. In America a fight means 2 guns come out and death.

America, where the best way to stay safe is to murder the other person first.

[Derek Sutton]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Mandatory occasional reminder to keep in mind that while these events get all the headlines, the vast majority of innocent gun deaths occur in incidents unrelated to mass shootings and mostly with handguns... the problem is far bigger than Uvalde.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wta...ooter/40137268

This is an entirely different problem then mass shootings, I don't think many people know or care(?) how much of a problem they both are. Since Ulvalde, there has been (by definition) an astonishing 18 mass shootings in that country.
https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/r.../mass-shooting

While over this past Memorial weekend, 51 shot, 9 killed in Chicago alone. Just unbelievable. https://chicago.suntimes.com/crime/2...al-day-weekend

[activeStick]

Lol I was just about to post something similar.

There were at least 14 mass shootings, that left 9 dead and more than 60 injured over the long weekend.

At least 156 people were killed and hundreds were injured due to gun violence.

[#-3]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

15th in the world.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/co...dex-by-country

They actually rank 22nd in personal freedoms on this list, which I'm sure is a little subjective.

It's 7th in Economic freedom that's dragging them up that list.
with beacons like Hong Kong, Taiwan, Singapore, and Georgia topping the Economic freedom side of the list, I'm not sure that what they are measuring in that category is the warm fuzzy standard we are all trying to cuddle up to.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Individual Americans have had a legally recognized constitutional right as individuals to have guns since 2008. Before that they had to be part of a well regulated militia to exercise such a right. When the SCOTUS by a vote of 5-4 said individuals have that right, reversing multi generational precedent somehow folks thought they always had that right, which they did not.

It's not clear to me how the literal-meaning-of-the-constitution-at-the-time-it-was-written Supreme Court could extend the 2nd amendment to basic self-defence. I mean it literally starts with a preamble explaining exactly why it is required, i.e. for well-regulated militia.