Is this Treliving's toughest offseason?

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Saqe

If he was a life long Flame and owed a million I could see it. But four million is a hell of a lot of money to leave on the table, no matter who you are. The more realistic option is to pay someone like Arizona to take his contract.

Lucic isn’t going to waive to go to Arizona. My guess his 8 team trade list will be teams that have at the very least a legit shot at the playoffs .

[tkflames]

Johnny: $10M
Tkachuk:$9.5M
Trade Mang + Kyllington for Chychrun: 4.6M
Lewis, Stone, Mackey, Ritchie on League Min. Chance for one of the 1st rounders to make the team.
Tanev on LTIR to start, Monahan can either play like a legitimate NHL center or you likewise LTIR him.

Go on a run...but really load up for 23/24 when you have 11M+ coming off the books and lindholm/hanifin still cheap.

[Classic_Sniper]

Not even a question. I've been saying this all season.

This was Brad's window. All the contracts he signed, all the tough negotiations, use of leverage and etc inevitably came down to end in 2022. The Flames were set up to have their best opportunity to win throughout the mid 2010's to today.

With the value contracts now set to expire in a month, Treliving will have to make some tough choices that could alter this team completely. I suspect, there will be anger here as I could see a few good players headed out that the fanbase won't want to see. But that's just the reality of the situation.

I've already been prepared since last September though, so nothing will surprise me. The thing I'll be most curious to see is how my list will defer from the list of managements. I'm sure they've got some bubble guys who are currently teetering, but I wonder who's at the top of their list.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Saqe

If he was a life long Flame and owed a million I could see it. But four million is a hell of a lot of money to leave on the table, no matter who you are. The more realistic option is to pay someone like Arizona to take his contract.

Most of that is bonus that he gets in the summer
So he can pocket that and retire I think?

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by tkflames

Johnny: $10M
Tkachuk:$9.5M
Trade Mang + Kyllington for Chychrun: 4.6M
Lewis, Stone, Mackey, Ritchie on League Min. Chance for one of the 1st rounders to make the team.
Tanev on LTIR to start, Monahan can either play like a legitimate NHL center or you likewise LTIR him.

Go on a run...but really load up for 23/24 when you have 11M+ coming off the books and lindholm/hanifin still cheap.

I’d love it if Money did a Kucherov and came back, 100% just in time for a playoff run in 23.

Let him heal right. If he goes somewhere else he will be Gary Roberts 2.0 and we’ll be sorry.

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

I’d love it if Money did a Kucherov and came back, 100% just in time for a playoff run in 23.

Let him heal right. If he goes somewhere else he will be Gary Roberts 2.0 and we’ll be sorry.

I was actually thinking of Robert's. Different injuries, but I'd hate to see Monahan in Pittsburgh as "too much man".

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Most of that is bonus that he gets in the summer
So he can pocket that and retire I think?

If that's the case then totally different, I could see him retiring as a favor. Who knows if he still wants to play though, I think he can, just overpaid.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by NewFan

And we need at least 2a, 2b Centre who can drive the line. Can Monahan be that guy?
We have few wingers, so if he can find a perfect C /not Jarnkrok please/ we should better next year.
Can 2nd line C /new/ + Dube /or Pelletier, or Phillips/ can replace Tkachuk's points?

If Johnny get's more than $10 million, I think 2 of Tkachuk, Mangiapane, Toffoli and Monahan are gone.
Can we buy out Lucic and re-sign a league minimum like Stone did?

Not a possibility. It’d actually make the cap hit worse

They are still on the hook for the signing bonus, the buyout is based on his salary, and that savings is subtracted from the original cap hit.

According to the capfriendly buyout calculator, his cap hit would only drop to 4.66 M for Calgary.

Add a league min cap hit and it is higher than it would be if left alone

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Most of that is bonus that he gets in the summer
So he can pocket that and retire I think?

If the bonus gets paid, it would have to count against the cap.

[the-rasta-masta]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I am sincerely hoping Lucic gives reasonable thought to retirement. He would be a great addition to the organizational side of the club.

The other possibility we are not talking about a lot is the potential of moving on from Markstrom at an earlier juncture and letting Wolf and Vladar share the net.

Could the team offer Lucic a management job with the same year 1 salary as he would make playing, but it wouldn't count against the cap? Is a team allowed to incentivize a player towards retirement?

[Groot]

Trade Tkachuk to St Louis for Kyrou (2.8 per for 1 more year) and Perunovich (league min send to AHL)
Trade Lucic to Seattle for a 23/24 2nd round pick after bonus is paid.
Buyout Monahan
Sign Gaudreau for 10.25x8
Sign Kylington for 3.0x2
Sign Kadri for 8.0x6
Sign Perron for 4.0x3
Sign Gudbranson for 2.2x2
Sign Stone for 0.8x1
Sign Mangiapane for 4.5x3
Sign Ruzicka for 1.0x2
Sign 13th forward for league min
Promote Pelletier
Promote Mackey

Gaudreau - Lindholm - Kyrou
Perron - Kadri - Toffoli
Mangiapane - Backlund - Coleman
Pelletier - Ruzicka - Dube

Hanifin - Andersson
Kylington - Tanev
Mackey - Gudbrandson
Stone

Markstrom
Vladar

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

If the bonus gets paid, it would have to count against the cap.

Do we actually have confirmation of this?

Say if a player has a $1M salary paid with a 900K signing bonus on July 1.

That player gets his 900K signing bonus on July 1st, but fails to make the NHL roster - his $900K bonus counts against the cap? I don’t think so.

[saillias]

Yes. Not only does Brad have to find a way to retain all the star players but he needs to add in my opinion.

Clear lack of 2nd line center and even another top pairing, true #1 D would be really helpful as well. No use signing Gaudreau and Tkachuk to huge cap munching deals and then just get worse from attrition.

To win the cup at some point they need the talent and depth to get past teams like Colorado and Edmonton, maybe Vegas and whoever else. They're close but a couple adds would put this team on another level.

Or they lose Gaudreau and in that case **** it I'm checking out, I don't have the time to sit through another 2010-2014ish era of pain. we'll see.

[Mathgod]

Though I'm a big Mangiapane fan, I'm beginning to warm up to the idea of trading him, especially if his agent keeps playing hardball and not accepting a deal somewhere in the McCann ballpark. The return ought to be something good though, like a pair of firsts or a blue chip prospect.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by saillias

Yes. Not only does Brad have to find a way to retain all the star players but he needs to add in my opinion.

Clear lack of 2nd line center and even another top pairing, true #1 D would be really helpful as well. No use signing Gaudreau and Tkachuk to huge cap munching deals and then just get worse from attrition.

The cap situation and scarcity of blue-chip prospects and high picks pretty much makes that impossible. GMs can’t spin up assets and cap space out of thin air.

[Vinny01]

The offseason gets really tough if Johnny decides to leave. Treliving has a lot of work to do but he is coming off his most successful season as a GM where his team won the division and won a round of the playoffs. He is firmly in his role and there isn’t as big of an outcry to fire him or make sweeping changes to the core. His job is now keeping the key players which is not easy but if they want to stay then that is half the battle.

If Johnny leaves his job becomes really tough. Does he pay Tkachuk $11M per without Johnny? What will he offer the likes of Kadri or Forsberg to try and replace Johnny?

Getting the top 2 players re-signed is a lot of work but it seems like there is interest on both sides. Considering no one is calling for sweeping changes I think this is a tough offseason but not the worst

[TOfan]

Not too sure if it has been mentioned but one potential destination for Lucic, I would think, is Anaheim. Primary reason being, Lucic still has a house and spends his offseason in LA. I’m sure he would at least consider going there, if asked. Anaheim was also pushed around quite a bit once Deslauriers left. I suspect Verbeek will look to provide some protection for Zehras, Terry, Drysdale etc.

Far more plausible scenario than Arizona in my mind.

[dammage79]

This will be Trees toughest offseason to date. Some pretty substantial decisions will be made and countering those decisions afterwards only increases the difficulty.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Two Fivenagame

Can't commit 12m to the 4th line anymore. That clearly needs to be redirected to Gaudreau and Tkachuk.

That defense was exposed in the playoffs and a position of weakness imo. I think another minutes munching top D would really help. If there was ever a time for Valimaki to emerge as a stud blueliner, now is that time. Otherwise, not sure where BT finds one without creating another hole.

Not exactly sure if Toffoli helped this team as he seemed quite slow and there's already a lot of slow players on this roster. That 1st round pick sure looks good heading into this draft.

I think the biggest thing exposed was how key Tanev was to the makeup of the six defensemen.

So saying the defense was a weakness when they were missing their best of the six is pretty unfair.

He made Kylington a 4 when he's probably a 6. And he made Hanifin/Andersson bot 2/3s when they are probably 4s.

Can't believe I'm now concerned the Tanev deal wasn't long enough!

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

If the bonus gets paid, it would have to count against the cap.

It does count, but that is irrelevant to the point Jiri was making, which is that if Lucic collects his bonus, and is only owed a small percentage of his remaining earnings after July, then the incentive for Lucic to continue playing is significantly reduced.

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