Obi-Wan Kenobi | Disney+ | (spoilers)

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

From the Revenge of the Sith book, from the end This is what it feels like to be Anakin forever

Even at the end of return of the Jedi, his voice was labored, and far different from the voice of Vader.

When Palpatine designed the Vader suit it was all about intimidation. Anakin was tall, Vader was far taller, Anakin was bulky Vader was broad. Even the voice was made to be intimidating and brass.

In the Revenge of the Sith book as well when Anakin was told that he wouldn't be a master, when he talked about how unfair it was, his voice changed to something dark and deep and oily in the book. We got a glimpse of proto vader as his fall to the Dark side was already underway.

Yes but at the end of RoTJ, the actor under the mask was still in English actor. I think I'm also bothered by the fact that Lucas had Hayden talk in a bad faux-english accent sometimes and it was super inconsistent and funny sounding. But I guess that's part of Star Wars as Carrie Fisher also adopted a random English accent when talking to Tarkin - largely again because of no proper diretion from Lucas and then she lost it later. Maybe that's some kind of Imperial Highspeed for my headcanon.

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by getbak

Yes, in Episode 3, Obi-Wan and Yoda return to the Jedi Temple to change the emergency message that's being sent out telling all surviving Jedi that the war is over and to return to Coruscant. When they arrive, they see the slaughtered Jedi and younglings lying on the ground. Yoda notices that some of them were killed by a lightsaber and not blaster fire. Obi-Wan decides to watch the security recordings (even though they both seem to suspect the truth) and sees Anakin killing Jedi. Then, they see Palpatine arrive where he calls Anakin his new apprentice, "Lord Vader". Then, Yoda says that Anakin is gone, "consumed by Darth Vader".

The scene starts about 1:37 into the movie on Disney+.


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My guess is this is also how Reva knows who Vader actually is. She was a youngling who escaped the slaughter but probably witnessed Anakin killing her friends and either saw Palpatine arrive and call him "Lord Vader", or she was hiding in the archives when Obi-Wan and Yoda watched the recordings and found out then.

I suspect his true identity is not common knowledge and it's a secret Reva has kept close but she knew it would matter to Obi-Wan.

Yes she's definitely part of the group in the opening scene of Obi Wan.

Thanks for the timestamp but I've survived 20 years since being disappointed in the theatre and I think I can go without watching the prequels ever again. I still keep hearing rumors that Favreau is going to fix the prequels but with all the flashbacks incorporated into Obi Wan, I feel like that is just wishful fan thinking

[Inglewood Jack]

the one thing I'm a bit sad about is how when Obi Wan hears his real name again in ANH and takes a moment to contemplate it, it just doesn't have the same weight as originally intended. the look on his face then made it seem like it had been decades, like not since the start of the Empire had someone said that name to him. but now with all this in between material they keep making, it feels like Obi Wan gets dusted off a couple of times at least before Luke and the droids show up.

same thing for the Death Star duel with Vader, in my head I always imagined that as their first meeting since his fall, but now they're going to have a mid-exile clash, and during this time period Vader will still consider himself a "student".

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Originally Posted by Inglewood Jack

the one thing I'm a bit sad about is how when Obi Wan hears his real name again in ANH and takes a moment to contemplate it, it just doesn't have the same weight as originally intended. the look on his face then made it seem like it had been decades, like not since the start of the Empire had someone said that name to him. but now with all this in between material they keep making, it feels like Obi Wan gets dusted off a couple of times at least before Luke and the droids show up.

same thing for the Death Star duel with Vader, in my head I always imagined that as their first meeting since his fall, but now they're going to have a mid-exile clash, and during this time period Vader will still consider himself a "student".

The duel thing is a great point. I always got the impression that it was the first time Obi Wan had laid eyes on Anakin in the suit, and is shocked by what a monster he is. Vader even says "when I left you, I was but a learner, and now I am the master". That implies they haven't seen each other since he became Vader.

It's also possible that Vader and Obi Wan never actually meet in this new series. We could just get a game of cat and mouse, with Obi Wan narrowly escaping.

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Originally Posted by getbak

Yes, in Episode 3, Obi-Wan and Yoda return to the Jedi Temple to change the emergency message that's being sent out telling all surviving Jedi that the war is over and to return to Coruscant. When they arrive, they see the slaughtered Jedi and younglings lying on the ground. Yoda notices that some of them were killed by a lightsaber and not blaster fire. Obi-Wan decides to watch the security recordings (even though they both seem to suspect the truth) and sees Anakin killing Jedi. Then, they see Palpatine arrive where he calls Anakin his new apprentice, "Lord Vader". Then, Yoda says that Anakin is gone, "consumed by Darth Vader".

The scene starts about 1:37 into the movie on Disney+.


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My guess is this is also how Reva knows who Vader actually is. She was a youngling who escaped the slaughter but probably witnessed Anakin killing her friends and either saw Palpatine arrive and call him "Lord Vader", or she was hiding in the archives when Obi-Wan and Yoda watched the recordings and found out then.

I suspect his true identity is not common knowledge and it's a secret Reva has kept close but she knew it would matter to Obi-Wan.

It also seems like force users have a unique signature that other force users recognize. So if she was witness to the slaughter, she would recognize the presence of Anakin. I'm assuming the Inquisitors, who have some force training, would have mostly met Vader or at least seen him.

[photon]

Not bad, most of my complaints would be the same as others have said.. there are adults that can outrun a child, but less mass and lower centre of gravity means more agile.. but she looks like she was playing hopscotch not running for her life. Whatever, that I can look past, I get the point.

Reva though, this is supposed to be a key plot driver, but she's a wide miss so far for me. There's infinitely more malice and depth to the Inquisitor from the Jedi Fallen Order video game.

Still lots to enjoy, I really wondered what on earth they could have cooked up to convince him to leave watching Luke, they certainly surprised me!

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by Inglewood Jack

the one thing I'm a bit sad about is how when Obi Wan hears his real name again in ANH and takes a moment to contemplate it, it just doesn't have the same weight as originally intended. the look on his face then made it seem like it had been decades, like not since the start of the Empire had someone said that name to him. but now with all this in between material they keep making, it feels like Obi Wan gets dusted off a couple of times at least before Luke and the droids show up.

same thing for the Death Star duel with Vader, in my head I always imagined that as their first meeting since his fall, but now they're going to have a mid-exile clash, and during this time period Vader will still consider himself a "student".

If you want to think that much about it, why does he not recognize Artoo and 3PO in ANH? Is he really just feigning "oh I don't remember owning any droids before"?

And yeah his meeting with Vader would seem a bit anticlimactic if they last bumped into each other like 7 years ago (Luke from 10 to 17).

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by blankall

It also seems like force users have a unique signature that other force users recognize. So if she was witness to the slaughter, she would recognize the presence of Anakin. I'm assuming the Inquisitors, who have some force training, would have mostly met Vader or at least seen him.

I wondered how come Reva can "feel" Obi Wan when chasing him in the cargo port but not feel him a few feet away when she is confronting Owen in the street? Can he hide it?

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

Yes but at the end of RoTJ, the actor under the mask was still in English actor. I think I'm also bothered by the fact that Lucas had Hayden talk in a bad faux-english accent sometimes and it was super inconsistent and funny sounding. But I guess that's part of Star Wars as Carrie Fisher also adopted a random English accent when talking to Tarkin - largely again because of no proper diretion from Lucas and then she lost it later. Maybe that's some kind of Imperial Highspeed for my headcanon.

That was intentional and not because of bad direction from Lucas.

They spoke with what is known as the Mid-Atlantic Accent: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mid-Atlantic_accent

It's basically a fake American-British accent that was widely taught in private schools in the Northeastern US and in acting schools in the first half of the 20th Century. It was a manufactured accent that no one spoke naturally -- which was intended as one of its selling points because it meant that the person who spoke that way had been taught the "correct" way to speak at a high-calibre school.

It also became the de facto "Old Hollywood" accent in the early 20th Century.

It evoked a certain style of the puffed-up politician who put himself above the people. So, when Leia is in politician mode, Carrie put on the Mid-Atlantic accent. When she was down on the ground with the Rebellion, she spoke more naturally.

Portman did the same thing in the prequels. Queen Amidala spoke very differently than Padme.

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by getbak

That was intentional and not because of bad direction from Lucas.

They spoke with what is known as the Mid-Atlantic Accent: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mid-Atlantic_accent

It's basically a fake American-British accent that was widely taught in private schools in the Northeastern US and in acting schools in the first half of the 20th Century. It was a manufactured accent that no one spoke naturally -- which was intended as one of its selling points because it meant that the person who spoke that way had been taught the "correct" way to speak at a high-calibre school.

It also became the de facto "Old Hollywood" accent in the early 20th Century.

It evoked a certain style of the puffed-up politician who put himself above the people. So, when Leia is in politician mode, Carrie put on the Mid-Atlantic accent. When she was down on the ground with the Rebellion, she spoke more naturally.

Portman did the same thing in the prequels. Queen Amidala spoke very differently than Padme.

As a fan of Gregory Peck and all those classic movies (and even Frasier), that was not a Mid-Atlantic accent at all. Carrie Fisher even says it was a British accent in interviews and that was the combination of direction on her first day of shooting as she struggled to grasp her character and lines:

"That's when George directed me," says Fisher, who is reprising her signature character in the upcoming "Star Wars: The Force Awakens." "He said, 'This is really serious. Your planet is about to get blown up, you're losing everything. This really means a lot.'

"And I understood then what he needed that character to be which was hard for me, because it was going to take away anything ironic that I would bring."

"I had a British accent," says Fisher. "Who could say those lines? 'I thought I recognized your foul stench when I was brought aboard.' What? Say that like an American and I'll pay you."

But I agree in principle that the only way to rationalize this in-universe is to believe that there is some imperial/political high speech that is used and to us it just sounds like a British accent...just like how we might read a label on the tractor beam in english but its actually a bunch of squiggly lines in the Star Wars imperial language.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by blankall

It also seems like force users have a unique signature that other force users recognize. So if she was witness to the slaughter, she would recognize the presence of Anakin. I'm assuming the Inquisitors, who have some force training, would have mostly met Vader or at least seen him.

This is similar my wife’s theory as to why Obi-Wan appeared to immediately know who “Lord Vader” was… they were in each other’s heads.

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My impression was always that the upper class in the Star Wars universe did have British-like accents, and it was commentary on classism/racism that all the high ranking imperial officers were old white men and had British-like accents. Lucas had purposely cast either old school English actors or actors with a background in English theatre to play the Imperial officers. Meanwhile, the rebels were made up of an eclectic group of all races, genders, species, etc....

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by blankall

My impression was always that the upper class in the Star Wars universe did have British-like accents, and it was commentary on classism/racism that all the high ranking imperial officers were old white men and had British-like accents. Lucas had purposely cast either old school English actors or actors with a background in English theatre to play the Imperial officers. Meanwhile, the rebels were made up of an eclectic group of all races, genders, species, etc....

Yeah my head canon is that Anakin is trying to hide his country-bumpkin Tatooine accent (sounds Canadian to us lol) by changing to an accent fitting an Imperial Lord lol. Kind of makes him look like an insecure dork like Madonna faking a British accent. Still, I think Lucas should have casted better or had someone else write dialogue about sand being rough and getting everywhere

[sleepingmoose]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

I wondered how come Reva can "feel" Obi Wan when chasing him in the cargo port but not feel him a few feet away when she is confronting Owen in the street? Can he hide it?

I assumed it was because Obi-Wan had closed himself off to the force when on Tatooine (similar to Luke in TLJ) - but after he used the force to save Leia’s fall from the roof, he was exposed when in the ships hanger.

[Ashes]

Enjoyed the fist two episodes and glad to have Ewan back as Obi-Wan, I thought it started strong with the flashbacks to some of the key events from the Prequels and the relationship between Obi-Wan and Anakin. Then they followed it right up with an Order 66 cut-scene, which was well done.

The young actress playing Leia is doing a great job, (chase scene not included). That just reminded me so much of the speeder chase scene in the Boba Fett show, just unnecessary since she ended up getting caught 30 seconds later anyway.

Was glad to see the show almost immediately leave Tattoine and take us to new places, very curious where the fight will take place between Vader/Obi-Wan.

I have to agree with others here that have mentioned Reva.. for me, her screaming from the rooftop when Obi-Wan and Leia are flying away was kind of a wtf moment. Like who the hell are you supposed to be? And I wish Obi-Wan found out from someone other than a brand new character about Vader being alive since this show opens up every other possibility, but ah well.

Can't wait to see the scenes with Ewan/Hayden, and any conversations between Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon. Other than that I just hope Reva stays in her lane a bit more and the show focuses on Vader hunting Obi-Wan down and putting the inquisitors in their place. You'd have to think Vader would be handing this one personally considering he's chasing the dude who he blames for everything, and he felt Obi-Wan's presence in the force at the end of episode 2.

Let's see where it goes!

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by Ashes

Enjoyed the fist two episodes and glad to have Ewan back as Obi-Wan, I thought it started strong with the flashbacks to some of the key events from the Prequels and the relationship between Obi-Wan and Anakin. Then they followed it right up with an Order 66 cut-scene, which was well done.

The young actress playing Leia is doing a great job, (chase scene not included). That just reminded me so much of the speeder chase scene in the Boba Fett show, just unnecessary since she ended up getting caught 30 seconds later anyway.

Was glad to see the show almost immediately leave Tattoine and take us to new places, very curious where the fight will take place between Vader/Obi-Wan.

I have to agree with others here that have mentioned Reva.. for me, her screaming from the rooftop when Obi-Wan and Leia are flying away was kind of a wtf moment. Like who the hell are you supposed to be? And I wish Obi-Wan found out from someone other than a brand new character about Vader being alive since this show opens up every other possibility, but ah well.

Can't wait to see the scenes with Ewan/Hayden, and any conversations between Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon. Other than that I just hope Reva stays in her lane a bit more and the show focuses on Vader hunting Obi-Wan down and putting the inquisitors in their place. You'd have to think Vader would be handing this one personally considering he's chasing the dude who he blames for everything, and he felt Obi-Wan's presence in the force at the end of episode 2.

Let's see where it goes!

Her trajectory is probably going to be the predictable redemption arc with flashbacks to her escaping as a youngling and how difficult life was for her or how her youth or family was stolen from her etc. and she will get redeemed and sacrifice herself and return to the light. Maybe they thought she needed to be really over the top to start off with for that contrast.

[Ashes]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

Her trajectory is probably going to be the predictable redemption arc with flashbacks to her escaping as a youngling and how difficult life was for her or how her youth or family was stolen from her etc. and she will get redeemed and sacrifice herself and return to the light. Maybe they thought she needed to be really over the top to start off with for that contrast.

Yeah that sounds about right, Kylo Ren V2 with the Vader worshipping too. Would be refreshing to see something a little different but it sure seems like they've written her in a way that annoys everybody including the other inquisitors to start this thing off. Sure seems like she's gonna be a big part of this show.

[photon]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

I wondered how come Reva can "feel" Obi Wan when chasing him in the cargo port but not feel him a few feet away when she is confronting Owen in the street? Can he hide it?

Plot armour is a very strong Jedi power

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

Her trajectory is probably going to be the predictable redemption arc with flashbacks to her escaping as a youngling and how difficult life was for her or how her youth or family was stolen from her etc. and she will get redeemed and sacrifice herself and return to the light. Maybe they thought she needed to be really over the top to start off with for that contrast.

That's too... nope you're totally right..

[Bigtime]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

If you want to think that much about it, why does he not recognize Artoo and 3PO in ANH? Is he really just feigning "oh I don't remember owning any droids before"?

[Shazam]

I’m totally okay with whatever. It’s decent Star Wars!