Matthew Tkachuk & Johnny Gaudreau Signing Watch Thread

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

I'd also wager that Mangiapane is going to go to arbitration while I'm making overly confident predictions.

Well, that's probably a fairly easy arbitration with Rust and McCann out there.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

They should offer Lucic a front office job if he's willing to retire this off season. I'm sure they could find something for him to do, and it may be a shady move but who gives a ####? The league is a corrupt, biased pile of garbage anyways.

So, he'll walk away from $4M to accept a front office job making $200,000?

And maybe, just maybe, he wants to pay hockey.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

So, he'll walk away from $4M to accept a front office job making $200,000?

And maybe, just maybe, he wants to pay hockey.

Pay him more than that per year and guarantee it with a contract.

The Flames are going to pay that money anyways, might as well get it off the cap.

I don't know if he'd agree to it, but they should at least try. Everyone else cheats their asses off and gets away with it.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Pay him more than that per year and guarantee it with a contract.

The Flames are going to pay that money anyways, might as well get it off the cap.

I don't know if he'd agree to it, but they should at least try. Everyone else cheats their asses off and gets away with it.

If Calgary paid Lucic $4M to sort envelopes they would be guilty of cap circumvention.

Plus I doubt Calgary wants to pay him $4M to do anything other than to play hockey.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

If Calgary paid Lucic $4M to sort envelopes they would be guilty of cap circumvention.

Plus I doubt Calgary wants to pay him $4M to do anything other than to play hockey.

Lots of teams are guilty of cap circumvention and they get away with it all the time. That's the whole point I'm driving at.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Lots of teams are guilty of cap circumvention and they get away with it all the time. That's the whole point I'm driving at.

Calgary isn't going to pay a player $4M on a made up job to circumvent the cap.

They have a budget, to the extent they did that, they would decrease their "cap" by $4M.

It would be the easiest circumvention case to prove ever.

The fact is, you may be of the opinion that teams circumvent the cap all the time, but the league feels differently. Injuries actually do occur.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

So, he'll walk away from $4M to accept a front office job making $200,000?

And maybe, just maybe, he wants to pay hockey.

Seems like a guy with a ton of pride. His game is slipping, he may want to walk away despite the additional pay cheque.

[Phaneuf_Phan]

Seems like Brad T is set on signing Johnny. I would much rather let him walk and then they can afford to re-sign everyone else including our 2 D-men. There's simply not enough cap space to go around. Johnny will be great for the next 2 years but when the smallest/softest player in the league loses a step after age 30, the remaining 8 years on his contract are going to be an anchor.

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Seems like a guy with a ton of pride. His game is slipping, he may want to walk away despite the additional pay cheque.

He could quite reasonably be listed as injured at the beginning of the year (back/neck condition that is commonly associated with chronic pain) and be put on LTIR when needed. Same for Monahan, who has had more surgeries than almost anyone else currently playing in the league. And Tanev will also still be recovering at the start of the season.

It's time for the Flames to play the LTIR game. Question is, can they plausibly drag Monahan and Lucic's recoveries out until next playoffs?

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Calgary isn't going to pay a player $4M on a made up job to circumvent the cap.

They have a budget, to the extent they did that, they would decrease their "cap" by $4M.

It would be the easiest circumvention case to prove ever.

The fact is, you may be of the opinion that teams circumvent the cap all the time, but the league feels differently. Injuries actually do occur.

First, they shouldn't pay the guy $4 million in one year lol. Spread it out over multiple years. The guy gets a guaranteed job in hockey, after hockey, and there wouldn't be a thing the league could do about it.

I didn't say the Flames were going to do it, I said they should do it.

And goddamn rights they should.

Sharks got rid of Kane's contract on trumped up charges that were never substantiated and used that money to extend a key core player.

Flames should be playing dirty too.

If Lucic wants to retire, but still wants his money, the more realistic scenario that will happen is he goes on LTIR though.

[Psytic]

Originally Posted by Phaneuf_Phan

Seems like Brad T is set on signing Johnny. I would much rather let him walk and then they can afford to re-sign everyone else including our 2 D-men. There's simply not enough cap space to go around. Johnny will be great for the next 2 years but when the smallest/softest player in the league loses a step after age 30, the remaining 8 years on his contract are going to be an anchor.

I think its better to keep the core players and move out the lesser pieces. Look at LA they hung onto Doughty and Kopitar and drafted some blue chip pieces. Instant rebuild just like that. It can work here if the Flames cant keep enough pieces to be competitive. They can then re tool on the fly with 1 or 2 tank years to get some cheap contracts. Or if they can keep enough pieces then this is a second round team. Win/Win.

[MrMike]

The injury and surgery to Monahan really throws a wrench into this. I was hoping by the time playoffs rolled around he was a little more up to game speed and gain some much needed trade value.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

First, they shouldn't pay the guy $4 million in one year lol. Spread it out over multiple years. The guy gets a guaranteed job in hockey, after hockey, and there wouldn't be a thing the league could do about it.

I didn't say the Flames were going to do it, I said they should do it.

And goddamn rights they should.

Sharks got rid of Kane's contract on trumped up charges that were never substantiated and used that money to extend a key core player.

Flames should be playing dirty too.

If Lucic wants to retire, but still wants his money, the more realistic scenario that will happen is he goes on LTIR though.

They would need to spread it over 20 years LOL.

Paying him even $500,000 over 8 years would raise a red flag when they look at what comparable employees are getting for doing real jobs.

In any event, Calgary won't do it, and I don't believe any team has ever had a player retire early and them take a head office job.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Seems like a guy with a ton of pride. His game is slipping, he may want to walk away despite the additional pay cheque.

And he said he contemplated retiring when he was miserable with Peters here.

Dropping down to energy minutes and one year left to go may be all it takes to call it.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Macindoc

He could quite reasonably be listed as injured at the beginning of the year (back/neck condition that is commonly associated with chronic pain) and be put on LTIR when needed. Same for Monahan, who has had more surgeries than almost anyone else currently playing in the league. And Tanev will also still be recovering at the start of the season.

It's time for the Flames to play the LTIR game. Question is, can they plausibly drag Monahan and Lucic's recoveries out until next playoffs?

Lucic is going to be even less effective in the playoffs if he misses significant season time. I just don’t see him going this route.

I’m not against the idea of abusing loopholes though.

[liamenator]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

They would need to spread it over 20 years LOL.

Paying him even $500,000 over 8 years would raise a red flag when they look at what comparable employees are getting for doing real jobs.

In any event, Calgary won't do it, and I don't believe any team has ever had a player retire early and them take a head office job.

Craig Conroy retired mid-season, Feb 2011, and immediately accepted a position in the Flames front office.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by liamenator

Craig Conroy retired mid-season, Feb 2011, and immediately accepted a position in the Flames front office.

That's correct, although Conroy has always had a real job doing real work.

Is there some thought that Lucic has real management potential?

[BlindMilwaukee]

Could Lucic team up with Big Ern and the two of them handle the guys on the roster? Guidance and whatnot.

[Toonage]

if the Flames are unhappy with a decision levied by the league he can go speak with Parros.

DOPS Influencer

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

They should offer Lucic a front office job if he's willing to retire this off season. I'm sure they could find something for him to do, and it may be a shady move but who gives a ####? The league is a corrupt, biased pile of garbage anyways.

I honestly think Looch would be a good coach in this league. He's one of the best at saying the right thing in post-game interviews and also he is a scary looking mfer, so you don't wanna piss him off. So, I wouldn't be opposed to him becoming an assistant for the Heat or something